00:00
<shu>
we should not change the number formatting at all from what it is
00:02
<Michael Ficarra>
pretty much all standards bodies agree though: General Conference on Weights and Measures, NIST, ISO 8601, ISO 80000-1, ...
00:03
<Michael Ficarra>
and of course standards daddy Ecma
00:07
<shu>
now that i've looked over it, there aren't that many large numbers
00:08
<bakkot>
I am categorically opposed to changing the grouping punctuator
00:08
<shu>
some of them would be clearer to be expressed directly as their formulas (e.g. 2^53, instead of writing it out)
00:08
<shu>
so i'd be open to removing some of them
00:08
<shu>
but otherwise not open to changing , to space
00:09
<shu>
i will change my mind when the whole of software engineering isn't so heavily american anglo-centric
00:10
<Michael Ficarra>
okay well hopefully they just never complain about it
00:10
<bakkot>
they haven't so far
00:11
<bakkot>
incidentally the HTML spec also uses american-style numbers (though in some cases they do not have a grouping separator)
00:11
<Michael Ficarra>
it's not just spaces btw, it's thin spaces lmao
00:11
<Michael Ficarra>

The use of thin spaces as separators,[31]: 133  not dots or commas (for example: 20 000 and 1 000 000 for "twenty thousand" and "one million"), has been official policy of the International Bureau of Weights and Measures since 1948 (and reaffirmed in 2003) stating "neither dots nor commas are ever inserted in the spaces between groups", as well as of the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC),[32][33] the American Medical Association's widely followed AMA Manual of Style, and the Metrication Board, among others.

00:15
<bakkot>
thin spaces more tolerable than full-width tbf
00:15
<shu>
1░000░000░I░N░B░I░O
00:24
<Michael Ficarra>
god you are too online shu
00:28
<Rob Palmer>
Michael, you introduced me to "drip" so I suspect you of excessive onlineness too.
00:28
<Michael Ficarra>
I would never be online, sir
00:54
<Michael Ficarra>
also Ecma thinks sections shouldn't be nested more than 3 levels lol
01:47
<bakkot>
why does ecma hate organization
02:44
<Michael Ficarra>
I just noticed that the computed page numbers in the ToC are incorrect... 🤦‍♂️
02:44
<Michael Ficarra>
I'm getting really tired of Paged.js
05:37
<ljharb>
i think if we decide that usage stats of any number formats should be disqualified from any countries that gained their format by being conquered, the choice is obvious