| 00:00 | <zewt> | greasemonkeying google search is sort of a losing battle, between the minification and the fact that it changes too often |
| 00:01 | <erlehmann> | noscript here. been nimped once too often. |
| 00:27 | <NickASloan> | so, I was thinking that it might be good for the form attribute to work like the class attribute |
| 00:28 | <NickASloan> | in that you can specify multiple forms for an input to be associated with |
| 00:28 | <NickASloan> | <input type="text" form="form1Id form2Id"> |
| 00:29 | <NickASloan> | though that wouldn't make sense for buttons |
| 00:29 | <NickASloan> | what would be the most sensible way to suggest that this issue be considered? |
| 02:37 | <heycam> | Hixie, hi, no there's no way to do that atm. there was a bug to allow inheriting from Array.protoype, but I pushed it out to resolve later |
| 02:44 | <zewt> | egh, what the |
| 02:44 | <zewt> | the "go" button in android's browser when inputting into a form doesn't submit the form, it sends an enter keystroke to the input element :| |
| 02:44 | <zewt> | wonder how I can distinguish that; that's terrible... |
| 02:46 | <erlehmann> | zewt, what “go” button do you mean? screenshot? |
| 02:46 | <Harpyon> | Are anyone able to tell me what is wrong with this html5lib script? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/418698/ |
| 02:46 | <zewt> | don't have DDMS set up right now to take a screenshot, but it's the button in the input method |
| 02:46 | <erlehmann> | ImportError: No module named html5lib |
| 02:46 | <erlehmann> | :P |
| 02:47 | <Harpyon> | Not even the most basic example works for me, so I tried replicating exactly what the example script does, and it still doesn't work :/ |
| 02:47 | <erlehmann> | zewt, oh. i do not think i use that. physical keyboard and such. |
| 02:47 | <zewt> | just causing breakage on one of my pages since enter is actually closing a separate dialog--which is fine on desktop browsers, since you can see it, but on mobile browsers where the keyboard is often full-screen it's badly confusing ... may just need to browser sniff this one |
| 02:47 | <erlehmann> | right? |
| 02:47 | <erlehmann> | or am i misunterstanding? |
| 02:47 | <zewt> | virtual keyboard |
| 02:48 | <erlehmann> | good, i understand. my htc dream has a physical one. |
| 02:48 | <zewt> | had a G1 initially, but there's such a limited selection of phones with a keyboard that I gave up |
| 02:50 | <zewt> | if it said "enter" or had the carriage-return icon then it'd make more sense, but "go" makes me think it means "submit the form" |
| 02:58 | <erlehmann> | zewt, gave up? i'd buy one again if mine failed. on ebay or something. |
| 02:59 | <erlehmann> | the keyboard is just really nice compared to other stuff. |
| 02:59 | <zewt> | gave up waiting for a decent keyboardphone |
| 02:59 | <erlehmann> | what would be “decent”? |
| 03:00 | <erlehmann> | milestone etc have weird handling. |
| 03:00 | <erlehmann> | keys in a grid do not fit with me :/ |
| 03:00 | <zewt> | on par with other phones |
| 03:00 | <erlehmann> | then go get an older phone :P |
| 03:00 | <zewt> | g2 is probably okay, i don't remember off-hand what put me off it |
| 03:01 | <zewt> | i don't need the keyboard enough to lock my choices into like one usable phone every three generations |
| 03:02 | <erlehmann> | hehe |
| 03:03 | <erlehmann> | but then i wonder what shiny new features could be there. |
| 03:03 | <erlehmann> | i am fine with web, irc, email, jabber. |
| 03:04 | <erlehmann> | probably missing out on the next big thing™ |
| 08:01 | <MikeSmith> | I made some updates to http://platform.html5.org/ |
| 08:01 | <MikeSmith> | more suggestions welcome |
| 08:01 | <MikeSmith> | patches also welcome |
| 08:01 | <MikeSmith> | https://github.com/sideshowbarker/platform.html5.org |
| 08:03 | <mhausenblas> | MikeSmith, looks good! Q: where is microdata? |
| 08:04 | <MikeSmith> | it's not there |
| 08:04 | <mhausenblas> | no, really? :) |
| 08:04 | <mhausenblas> | I mean, shouldn't it be ... in the light of Schema.org |
| 08:06 | <mhausenblas> | or, better say: why is it *not* there? pls. don't tell me because of the recent TAG decision :P |
| 08:07 | <doublec> | window 15 |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | irrssi user :) |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | mhausenblas: my dog ate it |
| 08:07 | <mhausenblas> | bah |
| 08:08 | <mhausenblas> | MikeSmith, if I send in a pull request, will you accept it? :) |
| 08:09 | <doublec> | hehe |
| 08:09 | <MikeSmith> | I will accept any pull request for consideration |
| 08:09 | <MikeSmith> | I will not add stuff that is outside of the scope of the what's there now |
| 08:09 | <mhausenblas> | where is the scope defined? |
| 08:10 | <MikeSmith> | it's not |
| 08:10 | <mhausenblas> | fair enough |
| 08:10 | <MikeSmith> | it needs to be inferred |
| 08:10 | <MikeSmith> | but there are some clues |
| 08:10 | <MikeSmith> | like the title of the page |
| 08:10 | <mhausenblas> | ouch, don't get me started w/ inference |
| 08:10 | <mhausenblas> | so? |
| 08:11 | <mhausenblas> | md (API) *is* a browser technology, no? |
| 08:11 | <mhausenblas> | in terms of http://foolip.org/microdatajs/ for example, I mean |
| 08:12 | <MikeSmith> | that's a script |
| 08:12 | <mhausenblas> | look, MikeSmith just tell me if you're interested in feedback and input or not - otherwise I happily go back to hacking on https://github.com/mhausenblas/school-explorer |
| 08:13 | <mhausenblas> | not that I want to waste your or my precious time :P |
| 08:14 | mhausenblas | BRB - need some coffee and ciggy |
| 08:14 | <MikeSmith> | mhausenblas: I'm interested in genuine feedback but I'm not interested in turning the page into yet another venue for pissing battles over microdata vs RDFa |
| 08:14 | <mhausenblas> | oh come on - do I look like someone who does this? |
| 08:14 | <MikeSmith> | so what happens if I add microdata? |
| 08:14 | mhausenblas | really needs coffee, in fact :) |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | then it's there |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | why am I interested? |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | easy: http://omnidator.appspot.com/ |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | and http://schema.rdfs.org/ obviously |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | which depends on md |
| 08:15 | <MikeSmith> | looks like great stuff |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | tx |
| 08:15 | <mhausenblas> | anyways |
| 08:16 | <mhausenblas> | 1. coffee 2. ciggy 3. return to IRC - TTYL |
| 08:16 | <MikeSmith> | hai |
| 08:17 | <mhausenblas> | just one more thing before I forget it (more a note to myself: shouldn't it be IRI rather than URI or at least *and* ... MikeSmith should know, living in JP ;) |
| 08:18 | <MikeSmith> | ah, true |
| 08:18 | <MikeSmith> | will change that |
| 08:18 | <mhausenblas> | ah, and one last before I really really run for coffee - would http://enable-cors.org/ be in scope? |
| 08:19 | MikeSmith | looks |
| 08:19 | <mhausenblas> | 'k |
| 08:19 | <MikeSmith> | I got CORS listed there already |
| 08:19 | <MikeSmith> | if you meant CORS itself |
| 08:20 | <MikeSmith> | doublec: btw, I think you can get to window 15 by typing 't' |
| 08:20 | <mhausenblas> | right (just was looking for CORS and didn't see the Cross-Origin Resource Sharing) |
| 08:20 | <doublec> | MikeSmith: yeah, alt+t |
| 08:21 | <mhausenblas> | anyways, might be useful re recipes/advocating |
| 08:21 | <MikeSmith> | mhausenblas: probably I should put the abbreviation too, for CORS |
| 08:21 | <mhausenblas> | +1 |
| 08:21 | <doublec> | MikeSmith: sometimes I type it out for some weird reason |
| 08:21 | <MikeSmith> | doublec: yeah, me too |
| 08:21 | <MikeSmith> | but I have the plugin now that shows the mappings persistently, at the bottom of the window |
| 08:22 | <MikeSmith> | in the channel list before each of the channel names |
| 08:25 | <NickASloan> | I think it makes sense that <input form=""> should support multiple forms, like the class attribute does. How do I suggest this in a way that might actually be heard? |
| 08:26 | <Ms2ger> | Start with use cases rather than solutions |
| 08:37 | <MikeSmith> | http://platform.html5.org looks best in Opera, due to Opera already supporting break-* properties with CSS multi-column |
| 08:38 | <MikeSmith> | if other browsers support it also but with vendor-prefixed property names, I would love to know what property names to use |
| 08:38 | <MikeSmith> | because nothing I tried seemed to work |
| 08:44 | <MikeSmith> | whoah |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | Jon S. von Tetzchner resigned from Opera |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | the news says |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/24/opera-founder-jon-s-von-tetzchner-resigns-over-differences-with-board/ |
| 08:45 | <Ms2ger> | If you're going to mention HTTP, what about cookies? |
| 08:47 | <MikeSmith> | OK |
| 08:47 | MikeSmith | looks for abarth RFC |
| 08:48 | <MikeSmith> | I think that news story should say he quit the company completely |
| 08:48 | <MikeSmith> | because he had already resigned last year |
| 08:48 | <MikeSmith> | or at least resigned from leading the company |
| 08:48 | <NickASloan> | Ms2ger: I have a shopping cart page with an input for each item in my cart which allows me to update the quantity of that item. I have a form for each of these inputs that points to a script that saves the quantity of the item in my cart. I also have all of the inputs associated with a form that saves all of the quantity values (and possibly some other fields) and directs the user to a checkout page. |
| 08:49 | <NickASloan> | is that a reasonable enough use case? |
| 08:49 | <MikeSmith> | cookies are so un-sexy |
| 08:50 | <Ms2ger> | Sounds reasonable to me |
| 08:50 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, but tasty! :) |
| 08:50 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 08:50 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, added |
| 08:50 | <MikeSmith> | thanks |
| 08:54 | <NickASloan> | ticket created in bugzilla. Is there anything else I should do if I am serious about lobbying for this feature? |
| 08:54 | <Ms2ger> | NickASloan, patience ;) |
| 08:54 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5988? |
| 08:55 | <Ms2ger> | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-websec-origin-02? |
| 08:55 | <MikeSmith> | do most browsers implement support for the Link header yet? |
| 08:55 | <Ms2ger> | They should ;) |
| 08:56 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 08:57 | <NickASloan> | Ms2ger: thanks for your help. I'll keep my fingers crossed. |
| 08:57 | <Ms2ger> | Np |
| 08:58 | <Ms2ger> | XMLNS, xml:base, DOM Traversal, DOM XPath? |
| 08:58 | <Ms2ger> | (I think I'm about done now) |
| 09:15 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Traversal-Range/ is the latest for DOM Traversal? |
| 09:16 | <Ms2ger> | Yes |
| 09:16 | <MikeSmith> | OK |
| 09:16 | <MikeSmith> | added along with others |
| 09:16 | <MikeSmith> | oh, forgot DOM XPath |
| 09:19 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: I think I've now added all the ones you mentioned |
| 09:19 | <Ms2ger> | Ta |
| 09:19 | <MikeSmith> | thank you |
| 09:19 | <MikeSmith> | but let me know if I forgot anything |
| 09:19 | <MikeSmith> | or if you think of anything else to add |
| 09:20 | <Ms2ger> | Oh, the web sockets protocol, maybe |
| 09:20 | <Ms2ger> | But then I'm really done... For now :) |
| 11:03 | <annevk> | oh Acid3 |
| 11:07 | <Ms2ger> | Still useless? |
| 11:07 | <annevk> | it tests things we want to remove |
| 11:07 | <annevk> | and that is annoying |
| 11:11 | <annevk> | is toDataURL("image/webp") supported in browsers? |
| 11:11 | <annevk> | (just curious) |
| 11:11 | <Philip`> | Is <img src=whatever.webp> supported in any browsers? |
| 11:12 | <annevk> | Chrome/Opera, no? |
| 11:27 | <matjas> | I have another question regarding the ETAGO delimiter in <style> and <script> elements |
| 11:27 | <matjas> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#tokenization |
| 11:29 | <matjas> | From testing in browsers with an HTML5 parser, it seems that just `</style` within a <style> element doesn’t close the element. Only `</style>` does. |
| 11:30 | <matjas> | E.g. `</style foo>` following an opening <style> tag doesn’t close the <style> element. |
| 11:30 | <matjas> | However, with <script>s it does. <script></script foo> will close the <script> element. |
| 11:31 | <matjas> | Why is there a difference? Any pointers? |
| 11:31 | <annevk> | </style foo> does close it |
| 11:31 | <annevk> | at least in Opera/Firefox |
| 11:33 | <matjas> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cstyle%3Ebody%3A%3Abefore%20{%20content%3A%20'%3C%2Fstyle'%3B%20}%20still%20not%20closed%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0Alolwat |
| 11:33 | <matjas> | perhaps I’m testing wrong |
| 11:34 | <matjas> | annevk: ^ |
| 11:36 | <Philip`> | The </style needs to be followed by a space or / or >, according to HTML5 |
| 11:36 | <Philip`> | not ' |
| 11:36 | <Philip`> | s/a space/whitespace/ |
| 11:40 | <matjas> | a “space character” |
| 11:41 | <matjas> | Philip`: where does it say that? |
| 11:42 | <matjas> | (Couldn’t find that myself) |
| 11:42 | <Philip`> | <style> is RAWTEXT so it reaches http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#rawtext-end-tag-name-state |
| 11:45 | <matjas> | how is that different from this example? http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cscript%3Edocument.write('%3C%2Fscript')%3B%20alert('not%20closed')%3B%3C%2Fscript%3E%0Alolwat |
| 11:46 | <matjas> | oh wait, it’s not. |
| 11:46 | <matjas> | that doesn’t close the element either |
| 11:46 | <Philip`> | That does the same, though your document.write ends up eating the lolwat |
| 11:47 | <matjas> | yeah |
| 11:48 | <matjas> | thanks for clarifying! |
| 11:52 | <matjas> | so `</style>`, `</style/` or `<style%WHITESPACE%` would close an open <style> element, everything else doesn’t. Same for <script>. Correct? |
| 11:53 | <matjas> | where %WHITESPACE% is tab, LF, FF, or a space |
| 11:54 | <Ms2ger> | Or CR |
| 11:54 | <matjas> | was just about to ask |
| 11:54 | <matjas> | CR is the only “space character” that isn’t mentioned there |
| 11:54 | <matjas> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#rawtext-end-tag-name-state |
| 11:55 | <matjas> | why not? |
| 11:55 | <Philip`> | matjas: Not quite the same for <script>, since it has special cases for <script><!-- </script> --></script> or something like that |
| 11:55 | <annevk> | matjas, isn't CR already normalized away at that point? |
| 11:56 | Philip` | forgets what exactly is currently specced |
| 11:56 | <matjas> | annevk: oh, that might explain it |
| 11:56 | <Philip`> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/parsing.html#preprocessing-the-input-stream gets rid of CR |
| 11:56 | <matjas> | Philip`: wait, what? |
| 11:57 | <Philip`> | ? |
| 11:57 | <matjas> | I don’t see how <script><!-- </script> --></script> is special |
| 11:58 | <Philip`> | It's special due to backward compatibility |
| 11:58 | <matjas> | v.nu to the rescue: http://i.imgur.com/IN6Lg.png |
| 11:58 | <Philip`> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/scripting-1.html#restrictions-for-contents-of-script-elements says where you're allowed to put </script> inside a script |
| 11:58 | <Philip`> | in a perfectly clear and understandable fashion |
| 11:59 | <matjas> | DOMception :( |
| 12:02 | <annevk> | is that an inception joke? |
| 12:02 | <annevk> | haven't seen that one on reddit thus far |
| 12:03 | <matjas> | So <script><!-- document.write("<script>alert('WAT')</script>") --></script> is conforming |
| 12:03 | <matjas> | but <script>document.write("<script>alert('WAT')</script>")</script> isn’t |
| 12:03 | <matjas> | interesting |
| 12:06 | <Philip`> | The <!--..--> thing is an evil hack so it's best not to rely on it |
| 12:09 | <matjas> | TIL validator.nu accepts data URLs |
| 12:09 | <matjas> | why didn’t you guys tell me?! |
| 12:10 | <Philip`> | Why do you want them? |
| 12:12 | <matjas> | useful for quick testing, e.g. http://html5.validator.nu/?doc=data%3Atext%2Fhtml%3Bcharset%3Dutf-8%2C%3Cscript%3E%3C!--%2520document.write(%22lol%3Cscript%3Ealert('WAT')%3C%2Fscript%3E%22)%2520--%3E%3C%2Fscript%3E |
| 12:13 | matjas | ♥ hsivonen |
| 12:15 | <Ms2ger> | You know there's a text field as well, right? |
| 12:15 | <matjas> | Ms2ger: I do |
| 12:16 | <matjas> | It’s just that I often use data URLs to create quick test cases like the one above |
| 12:17 | <matjas> | from there it’s only a few keystrokes to validate™ it, apparently |
| 12:17 | <matjas> | sweet |
| 12:24 | <MikeSmith> | I added an "HTML bonus features" category to http://platform.html5.org/ -- to highlight APIs that are part of the HTML spec that merit special mention |
| 12:25 | <MikeSmith> | if there's anything else I should add in that category, let me know |
| 12:26 | <erlehmann> | the only DOMception joke i can think of involves styling the shadow DOM – we need to go deeper! |
| 12:39 | <matjas> | erlehmann: <iframe> |
| 12:43 | <matjas> | okay, I’m still trying to make sense of http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/scripting-1.html#restrictions-for-contents-of-script-elements (but failing) |
| 12:44 | <matjas> | Why is <script><!-- <script></script> --></script> conforming, knowing that <script><!-- </script> --></script> isn’t? |
| 12:45 | <Philip`> | The aim was to do the least crazy thing that doesn't break the web |
| 12:45 | <Philip`> | Unfortunately "least crazy" does not mean "not crazy" |
| 12:45 | <matjas> | I mean, where does the spec say that? |
| 12:46 | <matjas> | inb4 learn2ABNF |
| 12:46 | <Philip`> | Oh, I've never tried to actually understand the spec |
| 12:47 | <matjas> | :') |
| 12:54 | <matjas> | well if anyone can explain, that would be great |
| 13:12 | <gsnedders> | matjas: The former doesn't throw a parse-error, the latter does. So it says that in the tokenizer. |
| 13:13 | <matjas> | gsnedders: so, somewhere in here? http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html |
| 13:14 | <matjas> | Let me just double my IQ and try to read that |
| 13:15 | <The_8472> | it's just a state machine |
| 13:16 | <The_8472> | script probably triggers a different parsing mode (it has to). then look at what that parsing mode does |
| 13:19 | <Philip`> | See the 17 "script data" states |
| 13:43 | <Ms2ger> | http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13057 , for your enjoyment |
| 17:32 | <annevk> | whoa, is this the first time a non-regular posts a change proposal? |
| 17:32 | <annevk> | at least I never saw that name before, but maybe I'm missing something |
| 17:33 | <annevk> | Ms2ger, no joy here |
| 17:33 | <Ms2ger> | Hmm? |
| 17:33 | <annevk> | that bug report |
| 17:34 | <Ms2ger> | Oh |
| 17:34 | <llrcombs> | What are the thoughts here on Microsoft's accusations that WebGL causes security issues? Do we believe that the security of WebGL is strictly implementation-dependent, or that it really does need its security improved? |
| 17:35 | <Dashiva> | Has Microsoft released anything describing how Silverlight avoids the same problems? |
| 17:35 | <annevk> | llrcombs, http://www.realityprime.com/articles/why-microsoft-and-internet-explorer-need-webgl |
| 17:35 | <annevk> | llrcombs, Microsoft will do WebGL |
| 17:35 | <Ms2ger> | Dashiva, they don't |
| 17:36 | <charlvn> | it's clear this is all about a conflict of interest |
| 17:36 | <charlvn> | sure there are issues but these can be bridged just like any other |
| 17:36 | <llrcombs> | OK, but do we think that there are actual security issues, or was it just M$ spewing bullshit in an attempt to convince us that it could get out of the work of adding WebGL? |
| 17:36 | <annevk> | I guess we could do as Hixie suggested and infer the interface from where the constructor was called. But I also kind of like that now it is explicit... |
| 17:37 | <charlvn> | microsoft has been trying to monopolise the web for years and silverlight is their latest effort |
| 17:37 | <annevk> | llrcombs, there are issues, but it is not inherently insecure |
| 17:37 | <llrcombs> | OK, but definitely fixable problems then |
| 17:38 | karlcow | wonders which change proposal annevk is talking about |
| 17:38 | <llrcombs> | so just M$ attempting to convince us that it shouldn't have to make WebGL in IE |
| 17:38 | <charlvn> | it's unclear whether this could be used for anything other than a *potential* DoS |
| 17:38 | <llrcombs> | karlcow: <Ms2ger> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13057 , for your enjoyment |
| 17:38 | <charlvn> | steve gibson briefly spoke about this on a recent episode of security now |
| 17:38 | <llrcombs> | what, against a server? |
| 17:38 | <charlvn> | no against a client desktop |
| 17:39 | <charlvn> | by sending the GPU into a type of infinite loop or something similar |
| 17:39 | <annevk> | karlcow, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0387.html |
| 17:39 | <karlcow> | ah Daniel Glazman proposing to drop ins/del in favor of attributes |
| 17:39 | <llrcombs> | heh |
| 17:39 | <llrcombs> | well, no real point of that, is there? |
| 17:39 | <charlvn> | but that was the only legit concern i have heard and i'm sure a problem that can easily be bridged |
| 17:39 | <charlvn> | other than being malicious and irritating, no |
| 17:39 | <llrcombs> | I agree, by the way, with <ins> and <del> needing replacement |
| 17:39 | <charlvn> | nothing a restart can't fix :) |
| 17:40 | <karlcow> | the issue for me with ins and del is that they do not reflect the reality of editing aka overlapping markup structures without logical nesting. |
| 17:40 | <annevk> | bah, I don't have http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0881.html in my inbox |
| 17:40 | <annevk> | oh wait, that is from 2010 |
| 17:41 | <Ms2ger> | Oh, it is |
| 17:41 | Ms2ger | didn't realize either |
| 17:41 | <annevk> | I don't think I ever replied though |
| 17:41 | <karlcow> | <p>foo <del> bar </p> <p> blablabla </del> foof bar blalal </p> is a common case of editing. But not sure it is feasible without complicating a lot the parsers |
| 17:43 | <annevk> | Ms2ger, so it seems to me HTTP ought to say what is right here, not XMLHttpRequest |
| 17:43 | <annevk> | I have not checked up on HTTP, but I believe the request is simply to be repeated |
| 17:45 | <llrcombs> | charlvn: reminds me of while(alert("BWAHAHAHA")){} |
| 17:45 | <charlvn> | yep |
| 17:45 | <Ms2ger> | annevk, I should make it clear that I don't care about XHR ;) |
| 17:47 | <llrcombs> | query to everybody: does WebGL stuff get terminated when the browser window/tab gets closed? |
| 17:49 | <llrcombs> | also: is there anything to be done to evade the evil while(alert()){}? |
| 17:50 | <Ms2ger> | Have a "stop running scripts from this page" on alerts? |
| 17:50 | <annevk> | Ms2ger, FFFFFUUUU |
| 17:50 | <llrcombs> | hmm, that could be a partial solution |
| 17:50 | <Ms2ger> | annevk, :( |
| 17:50 | <llrcombs> | but then if it was while(1){alert();}, it'd still be an endless loop |
| 17:58 | <Dashiva> | llrcombs: It would halt the entire script |
| 17:59 | <Dashiva> | Besides, all sensible browsers have tab-local alerts nowadays ;) |
| 18:06 | <annevk> | if anyone is looking to waste some time |
| 18:06 | <annevk> | Game of Thrones is a pretty awesome show |
| 18:06 | <annevk> | especially in HD |
| 18:10 | <Dashiva> | It doesn't come in German until winter months, and nobody's going to show a non-dubbed show in Switzerland |
| 18:10 | <Ms2ger> | Oh, I thought you'd suggest reading IETF mail |
| 18:11 | <MikeSmith> | Sean Bean is a god |
| 18:12 | <annevk> | Ms2ger, :p |
| 18:12 | <Dashiva> | I think you typeod Neil Patrick Harris there, MikeSmith |
| 18:12 | <Ms2ger> | *I* think he typoed Douglas Adams |
| 18:13 | <MikeSmith> | Sean Bean looks better thsn tgem naked than |
| 18:13 | <MikeSmith> | wonderful typing experience on the iPad |
| 19:12 | <annevk> | MikeSmith, @html5 still under your control? last tweet is fun |
| 19:16 | <annevk> | glazou "the current HTML5 Last Call Working Draft - that does not reach at all the quality of other LCWD in the W3C and did not meet the basic requirements for a LCWD in the W3C Process" |
| 19:16 | <annevk> | http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2011/06/25/Why-html5-elements-INS-and-DEL-suck |
| 19:16 | <annevk> | I guess he doesn't read many LCWD |
| 19:16 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah, he's been repeating that to himself ever since it was published |
| 19:18 | <hober> | annevk: yeah, GoT was really well done |
| 19:19 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: @html5 not exclusively under my control, no. red guards have taken over. let a hundred flowers bloom |
| 19:19 | <Ms2ger> | Forked, if you will |
| 19:21 | <annevk> | In his bug report he also mentions something about HTML4 errata... I wonder if he really still believes in HTML4... |
| 19:22 | <annevk> | Maybe the simplest is for me to not care and prepare for this concert thingie |
| 19:22 | <Ms2ger> | He believes in longdesc, at least |
| 19:25 | <annevk> | I wonder if he realizes that attributes does not solve table editing |
| 19:30 | <karlcow> | annevk: before that, I wonder if the current ins/del solve anything except stylistic effect for the fun of editing. I do not remember to have seen them used in a programmatic way. Just curious. |
| 19:31 | MikeSmith | googles "plausible deniability" … for some reason |
| 19:31 | <annevk> | diveintomark.org once had revisions for blog posts annotated with <del> / <ins> |
| 19:32 | <karlcow> | annevk: yup, but was it automatic? Ah maybe when mark was tracking changes on Daver Winer blog |
| 19:33 | <annevk> | no for his own blog, and yes they were automatically down, via some script from iirc Aaron Swartz |
| 19:33 | <karlcow> | s/down/done/ |
| 19:33 | <annevk> | in the MovableType days |
| 19:33 | <karlcow> | aaah :) |
| 19:34 | <Philip`> | <style>del { color: black; background: black; }</style> let you use it for redactions when publishing secret documents, which seems to be a common desire |
| 19:34 | <annevk> | holy shit Opera supports multiple columns |
| 19:35 | <annevk> | in my 11.11 build |
| 19:35 | annevk | did not know |
| 19:35 | <karlcow> | mwahaha |
| 19:36 | <karlcow> | annevk: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/css3-multi-column-layout/ |
| 19:36 | <karlcow> | example by dstorey http://people.opera.com/dstorey/multi-column/multicolumn-article.html |
| 19:36 | <krijnh> | annevk: howcome told about that in his Fronteers 2010 talk, no? |
| 19:37 | <annevk> | I knew we were implementing |
| 19:38 | <annevk> | Did not know we shipped it already |
| 19:38 | <krijnh> | Ah ok |
| 19:39 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: opera columns support is better than any other UA as far I have found so far |
| 19:41 | <MikeSmith> | so cheers to whoever at opera implemented that |
| 19:41 | <othermaciej_> | annevk: he's bitter about XHTML2 WG dropping HTML4 errata feedback on the floor, and somehow thinks the current HTML WG should be aware of it and should be processing it |
| 19:41 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: (though I have my own guess who) |
| 19:43 | <annevk> | othermaciej_, yeah... I'm not even sure that was an errata item, would have been nice if he had some pointers so we could read up on some history that is no longer relevant, but potentially interesting |
| 19:43 | <othermaciej_> | I'm glad glazou filed a bug at least, the first time he raised his INS/DEL issue was in the LC survey |
| 19:43 | <annevk> | MikeSmith, pretty sure it was Morten |
| 19:43 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 19:44 | <MikeSmith> | well cheers to Morten |
| 19:44 | <MikeSmith> | Opera has some really exceptional devs |
| 19:45 | <Ms2ger> | Hey, so do we! ;) |
| 19:45 | <MikeSmith> | I hope the Opera board understands what they got. but I suppose I should shut up about that |
| 19:46 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: of course :( |
| 19:46 | <MikeSmith> | * :) |
| 19:46 | <MikeSmith> | (I meant) |
| 19:47 | <MikeSmith> | but opera market share is nothing, so who gives a shit about Opera, right? |
| 19:48 | <MikeSmith> | I mean that is what I hear from folks like Amy Hoy and Asa |
| 19:48 | <MikeSmith> | so I trust that |
| 19:52 | <Ms2ger> | Maybe Asa would be happier if the enterprise moved to Opera |
| 20:07 | <karlcow> | hihi |
| 21:03 | <karlcow> | not a day without a drama |
| 21:04 | <charlvn> | karlcow: which drama? |
| 23:51 | <karlcow> | http://functionsource.com/post/scrollability-can-hopefully-become-a-shim |
