| 08:49 | <Zeddy> | Hey, i have everything else working in my offline webapp, except, i still haven't figured out how to reset a manifest file. The problem is i call my manifest file with parameters manifest.php?map=1, or manifest.php?map=2.. The problem is, it creates two separate caches and the amount of data stored is doubled |
| 08:49 | <Zeddy> | can i resolve this issue by using php session variables? |
| 09:21 | <SiPlus> | Hai |
| 09:21 | <SiPlus> | Any WHATWG members here? |
| 09:21 | <SiPlus> | especially websockets standard devs |
| 09:39 | <smaug____> | SiPlus: if you have questions, it is better to just ask. Someone may answer :) |
| 09:40 | <SiPlus> | Why no UDP Websockets? |
| 09:42 | <smaug____> | SiPlus: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13322 |
| 09:42 | <SiPlus> | smaug____, this is my post XD |
| 09:43 | <smaug____> | :) |
| 09:43 | <smaug____> | SiPlus: for websockets I'd like to see first at least one stable protocol, before adding more |
| 09:44 | <smaug____> | and also, as of now, websocket is for reliable data transfer |
| 09:44 | <SiPlus> | smaug___: is GWT Quake 2 multiplayer compatible with C source ports? |
| 09:45 | <smaug____> | I don't know what is GWT Quake |
| 09:48 | <Philip`> | Raw TCP/UDP sockets will never be allowed (because of security) - you'll only be able to talk to servers that intentionally implement WebSockets (or whatever new protocols are developed) which won't include any existing game servers |
| 09:51 | <smaug____> | (I wouldn't say 'never'. Someone may come up with reasonable permission handling ...) |
| 09:53 | <Philip`> | (That sounds like it'll always be problematic since the only person you could ask for permission is the user, and they're not going to have a clue whether they're behind a firewall and would be exposing vulnerable services) |
| 09:55 | <smaug____> | I don't know how it should work, but something like same-IP-restriction + permission |
| 09:56 | <smaug____> | SiPlus: why do you want *WebSockets* to support UDP? |
| 09:57 | <SiPlus> | smaug___: for compatibility with C-written Quake clients |
| 09:58 | <smaug____> | WebSocket API is something which runs on top of websocket protocol |
| 09:58 | <SiPlus> | Philip` Raw TCP/UDP sockets will never be allowed (because of security) - you'll only be able to talk to servers that intentionally implement WebSockets (or whatever new protocols are developed) which won't include any existing game servers |
| 09:58 | <SiPlus> | HTML5 sucks |
| 09:58 | <smaug____> | and the protocol is defined in IETF |
| 09:58 | <smaug____> | if you have problems with the protocol, you could ask IETF hybi group if they have plans to change to protocol |
| 10:00 | SiPlus | has to find a security breach to enable multiplayer in WebQuake |
| 10:00 | <SiPlus> | Are there QuakeC parsing specs? |
| 10:01 | <smaug____> | SiPlus: there is at least one thread about UDP in hybi http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg02100.html |
| 10:02 | <annevk> | SiPlus, you could write an intermediary server that translates the calls from one protocol to the other |
| 10:04 | <annevk> | hsivonen, I think Opera deals with that email format fairly well, but I'm not a 100% sure |
| 10:07 | <SiPlus> | How can I draw dots in 3D space using WebGL? |
| 10:07 | <SiPlus> | no |
| 10:07 | <SiPlus> | not dots |
| 10:07 | <SiPlus> | I don't need dots |
| 10:07 | <SiPlus> | Lines |
| 10:08 | <SiPlus> | I don't see anything in my canvas |
| 10:18 | <smaug____> | Hmm, Websocket API draft points to an ancient unsafe protocol draft :/ |
| 10:28 | <annevk> | it does? |
| 10:28 | <annevk> | seems to refer to the latest draft |
| 10:37 | <mhausenblas> | annevk, got a minute re CORS? |
| 10:39 | <mhausenblas> | annevk, would you think that what I've got here at http://enable-cors.org/#how-apache is correct (Header set Access-Control-Allow-Origin *) |
| 10:40 | <mhausenblas> | someone pointed out recently that it should be Header set Access-Control-Allow-Origin "*" |
| 10:40 | <mhausenblas> | with the remark: "I spent a while trying to debug this with our apache servers." |
| 10:40 | <mhausenblas> | the spec is rather clear on this, IMO |
| 10:41 | <mhausenblas> | while the Apache 2 doc not so, hence I blamed it on the doc ;) |
| 10:41 | <mhausenblas> | any advise, annevk? |
| 10:42 | <annevk> | I don't know how Apache deals with things |
| 10:43 | <annevk> | Can't you test it out on an Apache server and inspect the headers it transmits? |
| 10:43 | <mhausenblas> | well, yes, if I'd only knew which Apache version the chap is using :P |
| 10:43 | <mhausenblas> | that's what I replied him, btw |
| 10:43 | <mhausenblas> | a chap from Pixar |
| 10:44 | <annevk> | if you transmit with quotes it should fail |
| 10:44 | <mhausenblas> | but you know, I'm lazy, hence I was hoping for some advise rather than doin' it myself ... let's see |
| 10:45 | <annevk> | ah, me too ;) |
| 10:45 | <mhausenblas> | well, he claims that he has debugged it with 'their apache servers' ... whatever this means ;) |
| 10:45 | <mhausenblas> | he he, fair enough |
| 10:45 | <smaug____> | annevk: the draft has a link to http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-socket-protocol/ |
| 10:45 | <annevk> | smaug____, no it doesn't |
| 10:45 | <annevk> | smaug____, what version are you reading? |
| 10:45 | <smaug____> | http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/ |
| 10:46 | <smaug____> | "Editor's Draft 5 August 2011" |
| 10:46 | <annevk> | oh |
| 10:46 | <annevk> | that's only in the SotD it seems |
| 10:46 | <annevk> | the actual normative references throughout the draft are to the correct version |
| 11:11 | <annevk> | smaug____, filed http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13700 |
| 11:26 | <smaug____> | annevk: thanks |
| 12:46 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, could you redirect http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/Binding4DOM/? |
| 12:49 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: sure, what to? |
| 12:50 | <Ms2ger> | http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/ |
| 12:58 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: should be working now |
| 12:59 | <Ms2ger> | Works, thanks |
| 12:59 | <MikeSmith> | yup |
| 13:20 | <SiPlus> | Do WebSockets support IPX? |
| 15:10 | <eighty4> | Quick question. Would you say that "HTML5 is as different from HTML4 as coffeescript is to JavaScript" or would you just say that html5 is an evolvement of html4? |
| 15:12 | <gsnedders> | eighty4: Definitely the latter. |
| 15:12 | <eighty4> | gsnedders: thanks, was starting to think that I was completely off. |
| 15:12 | <gsnedders> | eighty4: Except I'd say evolution as a native speaker. :) |
| 15:13 | <eighty4> | meh :) |
| 15:24 | <Dashiva> | If you need an analogy, maybe say that html5 is like es3 was to earlier javascript |
| 15:26 | <Dashiva> | (although es3 had enough problems that it might not be a net positive) |
| 15:27 | <gsnedders> | Dashiva: ES5 -> ES3 is a reasonable comparison, on the whole, though |
| 15:45 | <llrcombs> | is there any way to force a <progress> to animate when its value changes? |
| 15:45 | <llrcombs> | e.g. smoothly expanding the progress bar |
| 17:43 | <Hixie> | Zeddy: why are you passing parameters to the manifest? |
| 18:30 | <Hixie> | TabAtkins: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/ has cvs conflicts in it |
| 19:50 | <jgraham> | gsnedders, Dashiva: except that ES3 is a real spec in a way that HTML4 isn't. I mean it's not as good as ES5 but it has testable requirements an stuf |
| 19:50 | <jgraham> | *and stuff |
| 19:51 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: HTML4 has testable requirements. It's just that a desk can fulfil them. |
| 19:52 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: In that sense it is quite unlike ES3 |
| 20:31 | <annevk> | gsnedders, Dashiva, except we would have defined new Date(...) completely |