| 01:27 | <sephr> | roc: are you awake? |
| 01:27 | <roc> | yeah, it's 2:30pm here :-) |
| 01:33 | <sephr> | roc: ok can you join #jsclique? |
| 01:33 | <sephr> | I want to talk about drawing nodes to canvas |
| 03:08 | <Taggnostr> | hello |
| 08:06 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: in looking at http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=876 (prefix subtags for extended language subtags and variant subtags), maybe the "Variant foo lacks required prefix." error message could also report what correct/expected prefix actually is. |
| 08:06 | <MikeSmith> | it seems like that would be helpful to users |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | if you think it's worth adding I can write up a patch |
| 08:07 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: yeah. My error message writing tends to suck. |
| 08:07 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: as evidenced by Firefox localizers trying to make sense of parse errors |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | well |
| 08:07 | <MikeSmith> | I wouldn't have thought about it in this case either except that Richard's checker does report it |
| 08:08 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: turns out I don't get to say "astral non-character" in Firefox UI :-( |
| 08:08 | <MikeSmith> | hmm |
| 08:08 | <MikeSmith> | what are you supposed to say instead? |
| 08:09 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: I just dropped "astral", because it wasn't important to differentiate erroneous character references by BMP vs. non-BMP |
| 08:09 | <MikeSmith> | ah, OK |
| 08:11 | <MikeSmith> | I guess the need for precise wording and the need for easier localizability are not always simple to reconcile |
| 15:22 | <annevk> | heycam: yt? |
| 15:23 | <annevk> | heycam: we should simplify callback |
| 15:23 | <annevk> | heycam: if everything is handleEvent we just need some inline parameter syntax for callbacks instead of the current thing |
| 15:45 | <hsivonen> | can someone remind me again what information the number in the ADR token in Opera Mobile's UA string carries? |
| 15:46 | <hsivonen> | or the SYB token on Symbian |
| 16:00 | <MikeSmith> | annevk5: it seems we are behind on reporting about Web Notifications |
| 16:00 | <MikeSmith> | see end of Bjoern's message here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Nov/0008.html |
| 16:01 | <MikeSmith> | so we should either publish and updated WD or some note explaining why we haven't |
| 16:02 | <MikeSmith> | ... or even shut the WG down and move it to being a CG, which doesn't have any heartbeat requirement |
| 16:05 | <Philip`> | The solution to a group's lack of accountability on its progress is to change it into a group with no requirement of accountability on its progress? |
| 16:05 | <hober> | MikeSmith: annevk5 says the comments haven't been addressed yet |
| 16:06 | <jgraham> | annevk5 is dead and hober is a medium? |
| 16:07 | <hober> | he's shaving |
| 16:09 | <MikeSmith> | hober: MikeSmith says I understand about the comments but this is only about CYA so that we don't get spanked for not following the process requirements |
| 16:11 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: it's more about lack of progress, period |
| 16:14 | <AryehGregor> | chrome://crashes isn't recording my crashes. :( |
| 16:14 | <AryehGregor> | There's one from October 26, but none of the dozen or two I got today were recorded. |
| 16:15 | <AryehGregor> | (I wish sad tabs gave you a JS stack trace, if script was running during the crash) |
| 16:15 | <AryehGregor> | These tab crashes are really impeding my productivity. Feh. |
| 16:20 | <AryehGregor> | Inconsistent crashes are the worst. |
| 16:36 | <annevk5> | MikeSmith: if we have a homepage, can't we put a notice there? |
| 16:36 | <MikeSmith> | annevk5: I guess |
| 16:36 | <MikeSmith> | not sure |
| 16:36 | <MikeSmith> | I'll check |
| 16:36 | <annevk5> | MikeSmith: alternatively, find me an editor :) |
| 16:37 | <annevk5> | I don't really see the point in publishing anything without an editor that addresses comments within a couple of months |
| 16:37 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, agreed about that |
| 16:38 | <MikeSmith> | but if neither of us nor the current editor has the time and energy to drive it, it could go to a CG and just survive on its own merit |
| 16:42 | <AryehGregor> | CGs have to have a certain level of participation to be started, and are closed for inactivity, no? |
| 16:44 | <MikeSmith> | I don't know that the rules are for inactivity on CGs |
| 16:44 | <MikeSmith> | other than that they must have 4 partipants |
| 17:05 | <jernoble> | Hixie: another MediaController question for you. |
| 17:06 | <jernoble> | Hixie: from the last comment on https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71408 |
| 17:06 | <jernoble> | Hixie: In 4.8.10.11.2, the table in step 2 of "report the controller state" doesn't match the table in 4.8.10.17 for Media Controllers. The former talks about the "readyState newly being X" and the latter talks about the "readyState newly being X or greater". |
| 17:12 | <jernoble> | Hixie: I filed http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14731 |
| 19:37 | <AryehGregor> | So is there an Opera Next 12.00? My Opera Next says 11.50. |
| 19:38 | <wilhelm> | AryehGregor: http://opera.com/next/ |
| 19:38 | <AryehGregor> | Isn't it supposed to auto-update? |
| 20:36 | <espadrine> | AryehGregor: Opera Next does auto-update, if you restart it of course. |
| 20:36 | <AryehGregor> | espadrine, on all OSes? Didn't seem to happen for me on Linux. |
| 20:36 | <espadrine> | (and, I believe, if you check the checkbox). |
| 20:36 | <Ms2ger> | And has deb.opera.com been updated? |
| 20:37 | <espadrine> | I've seen the autoupdating work on Linux. |
| 22:52 | <annevk> | ojan: there's actually some more edge cases :( |
| 22:53 | <annevk> | e.g. Comment can appear as descendant of Document |
| 22:53 | <annevk> | ProcessingInstruction too |
| 22:53 | <annevk> | so for those you need to check the parent and throw or something |
| 22:54 | <smaug____> | annevk: ok, I think I like the proposal :) |
| 22:54 | <annevk> | sweet |
| 22:54 | <danbeam> | is there a room for the CSSWG on freenode? |
| 22:55 | <smaug____> | danbeam: for w3c stuff use w3c's irc server |
| 22:56 | <annevk> | #css on irc.w3.org:6665 |
| 22:56 | <danbeam> | smaug____, annevk thanks! |