| 01:28 | <zewt> | "from the c++ side" ... leaving this thread to others |
| 06:22 | <Yuhong> | Here is another effect of Mariner cancellation: Remember getElementById also including the name attribute? |
| 06:24 | <Yuhong> | Well, the cancellation of Mariner made IE the only common implementation of DOM Level 1 initially. |
| 07:52 | zcorpan_ | doesn't follow yucca's argument in 'XML data islands related question' |
| 07:53 | <zcorpan_> | he argues against XHR because it needs a HTTP connection, but still wants <script src>? |
| 08:56 | <zcorpan_> | TabAtkins: does your preprocessor support the same cross-spec cross-references as anolis+xref? |
| 09:14 | <zcorpan_> | jgraham: presto doesn't support addEventListener('error', ...) (since it wasn't in the spec when we implemented it), and i think older IE don't support it. not sure about newer IE |
| 09:14 | <zcorpan_> | jgraham: but i don't mind using onerror there since it's really just a single test case that will need to have a workaround for it |
| 09:48 | <smaug____> | remind me, what is the current name for Future-Promises |
| 09:48 | <smaug____> | hmm, based on the spec, Promise |
| 09:51 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: Does WeasyPrint support XHTML? Docs sounds like it doesn't? |
| 09:56 | <annevk> | smaug____: it's promises and will remain promises |
| 11:00 | darobin | wasn't even aware someone had asked Hixie for a list of bugs over which not to conflict... |
| 11:02 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: livedom.validator.nu is not up-to-date :-( |
| 11:02 | <hsivonen> | so much stuff I should get done |
| 11:03 | <annevk> | hsivonen: I recommend putting more on GitHub so you can ask for pull requests rather than doing them yourself |
| 11:04 | <hsivonen> | annevk: yeah, using hg/bitbucket was betting on the wrong horse. should have gone with git/github |
| 11:04 | <hsivonen> | need to make MikeSmith's github mirror the source of truth at some point |
| 11:06 | <annevk> | It's quite easy to move HG repos to GH. I've done that for a couple of specifications without much hassle. |
| 11:07 | <hsivonen> | Also, as a person trying to keep a proper "paper" trail for a MIT-licensed project, I'm slightly envious of the "Not a Contribution" thing in the Apache License |
| 11:07 | <hsivonen> | which is one reason I put the one project I do have on github under the Apache License |
| 11:31 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: OK. i noticed somebody was using it as a reference for implementing his parser |
| 11:33 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: i guess livedom.validator.nu isn't as useful now as it was before gecko had teh html5 parser |
| 11:34 | <zcorpan_> | does anyone have opinions on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22528 ? TabAtkins? |
| 12:01 | <annevk> | Moderat released a new album? The fuck. I thought they were done. |
| 12:02 | <annevk> | zcorpan_: we discussed that here a while back. I think fantasai and TabAtkins were going to do some LC renaming... |
| 12:02 | <zcorpan_> | heh |
| 12:02 | <SimonSapin> | gsnedders: it doesn’t directly, but you can give it a parsed lxml tree |
| 12:05 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: can't find 'computedstyle' being discussed here recently |
| 12:05 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: Okay, so what I said isn\t bullshit. :) |
| 12:05 | <gsnedders> | zcorpan_: Who? (Where?) |
| 12:06 | <SimonSapin> | gsnedders: Do you need XHTML for some reason? |
| 12:07 | <zcorpan_> | gsnedders: wat? |
| 12:07 | <gsnedders> | zcorpan_: Who is implementing the parser? |
| 12:07 | <zcorpan_> | gsnedders: oh |
| 12:07 | <annevk> | zcorpan_: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20130701#l-308 and onwards |
| 12:08 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: No, just using it as an example on test-infra as something which doesn't support XHTML and HTML |
| 12:08 | <SimonSapin> | hum, ok |
| 12:08 | <SimonSapin> | fair enough |
| 12:08 | <SimonSapin> | gsnedders: mostly it’s that I don’t care about XHTML, and no-one really asked for it yet |
| 12:09 | <zcorpan_> | gsnedders: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2013-August/040355.html |
| 12:09 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: thanks |
| 12:18 | <zcorpan_> | i don't mind calling it rawComputedStyle |
| 12:20 | <annevk> | Where are the attributes defined of http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-15.2.3.2 (Object.getPrototypeOf())? |
| 12:20 | <SimonSapin> | gsnedders: running W3C tests could be a reason to support XHTML in WeasyPrint, it’s easy enough to add |
| 12:22 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: Eh, I was more just coming up with examples. |
| 12:22 | <gsnedders> | annevk: What attributes? |
| 12:22 | <annevk> | gsnedders: property attributes |
| 12:23 | <gsnedders> | annevk: Oh, you mean of Object.prototypeOf? |
| 12:23 | <annevk> | Domenic_: why is it okay for Object.create() to do a null-check? |
| 12:23 | <annevk> | gsnedders: I was trying to ask that, yes :) |
| 12:24 | <gsnedders> | annevk: "Every other data property described in this clause has the attributes { [[Writable]]: true, [[Enumerable]]: false, [[Configurable]]: true } unless otherwise specified." — start of section 15 |
| 12:25 | <annevk> | gsnedders: ta! |
| 14:51 | <annevk> | String.prototype.normalize o_O |
| 14:54 | <gsnedders> | Which does what? |
| 14:58 | <Domenic_> | annevk: assuming we are talking about the same thing: `null` is a valid prototype. It isn't used to signal default arguments at all. |
| 15:01 | <annevk> | Domenic_: ah right, doh |
| 15:40 | <jgraham> | Not really sure what to think about the whole CSS build system |
| 15:40 | <Ms2ger> | How about the part where it depends on an ancient fork of html5lib? |
| 15:47 | <jgraham> | Well the implementation obviously has issues :) |
| 15:47 | <jgraham> | But I meant the theory |
| 15:47 | <jgraham> | I get the impression that the CSS people are more interested in testing CSS, whereas everyone else is more interested in testing the platform as a whole |
| 15:48 | <Ms2ger> | I'm not sure what the CSS people are interested in |
| 15:48 | <Ms2ger> | It seems to be mostly "process" |
| 15:48 | <jgraham> | So, for example, depending on HTML in a test for a web api is fine |
| 15:48 | <jgraham> | Because we only really care if it works in browsers |
| 15:49 | <jgraham> | Not if it also works in java, or whatever |
| 15:49 | <jgraham> | But the CSS people want to maintain some seperation with the rest of the platform |
| 15:49 | <jgraham> | So they invent all this extra complexity |
| 15:51 | <Ms2ger> | The idea of testing in html/xml both seems somewhat interesting |
| 15:51 | <Ms2ger> | But nobody ever did that |
| 15:55 | <jgraham> | I guess it is interesting. It would be more interesting to know how many bugs have been found in CSS that occured in one but not the other. It seems quite unlikely at that level |
| 15:57 | <darobin_> | I think that CSS's obsession with testing in XHTML borders on madness :) |
| 16:08 | <MikeSmith> | css-wg-wtf.tumblr.com |
| 16:09 | <MikeSmith> | subtitle: "An embarrassment of riches" |
| 16:09 | <MikeSmith> | enough to keep somebody busy full time maintaining it |
| 16:46 | <jgraham> | odinho: Did you mean to mark https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/206 as reviewed? |
| 18:45 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger: do you remember if Aryeh's thing allows testing things that only reflect on setting? |
| 18:45 | <Ms2ger> | I'm pretty sure that's not supported |
| 18:47 | <jgraham> | TODO it is then :) |
| 18:52 | <Ms2ger> | I'll get back to it, promise |
| 18:52 | <Ms2ger> | Some time |
| 19:16 | <jgraham> | Ms2ger: Well I think it is done now apart from the a2b stuff that seems unrelated |
| 19:17 | <jgraham> | But I'm not sure :) |
| 19:17 | <jgraham> | So it just needs a little review |
| 19:37 | <jgraham> | What's "the MOP"? |
| 19:38 | <Ms2ger> | meta object protocol? |
| 19:42 | <Hixie> | how in the !@#$% did this page's encoding get _this_ messed up http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/?p=9815 |
| 20:00 | <jgraham> | So I suppose the obvious followup is "what's a meta object protocol?" |
| 20:03 | <jgraham> | Oh, it's to do with being able to customise property access and things |
| 20:04 | <jgraham> | (I understand that isn't a definition of a protocol, before someone points it out) |
| 20:31 | <Hixie> | is FontLoader dead, or did it move somewhere? |
| 20:31 | <SimonSapin> | Hixie: moved |
| 20:32 | <SimonSapin> | http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-font-load-events/ |
| 20:38 | <hober> | MikeSmith: I am so sad that tumblr doesn't actually exist. |
| 20:44 | <Hixie> | SimonSapin: thanks |
| 20:59 | <tantek> | http://www.alu.org/mop/index.html ? |