| 00:00 | <Hixie> | SimonSapin: yes, very asynchronously. but it shouldn't give you that error, because it has a separate idea of what version is current, iirc... |
| 00:03 | <Hixie> | woah |
| 00:03 | <Hixie> | weird |
| 00:03 | <Hixie> | what's going on here |
| 00:05 | <Hixie> | oh aaaaanneeee |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | annevk: so uh |
| 00:07 | <Hixie> | annevk: for some reason the multipage splitter is splitting an old version? |
| 00:23 | <annevk> | hmm |
| 00:23 | <annevk> | maybe stuff got bogus again |
| 00:25 | <annevk> | svn: Checksum mismatch while updating 'source'; expected: '7d276e7c114c0dff2072062753a37225', actual: '296d8957f3f9fce92805f2bd67155ca0' |
| 00:25 | <annevk> | svn: Delta source ended unexpectedly |
| 00:29 | <annevk> | Hixie: I also get |
| 00:29 | <Hixie> | annevk: it might be worth putting in some defensive code in case i call you twice in parallel? maybe that broke it? |
| 00:29 | <annevk> | warning: can't find target for #CSSGC |
| 00:29 | <annevk> | warning: can't find target for #CSSWM |
| 00:29 | <Hixie> | those are fixed on my side |
| 00:34 | <annevk> | Fixed using http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10352934/svn-checksum-mismatch-while-updating |
| 00:34 | <annevk> | I think it's all good now |
| 00:34 | <Hixie> | cool, thanks |
| 01:18 | <a-ja> | Hixie: ping |
| 02:15 | <Hixie> | a-ja: pong |
| 04:52 | <MikeSmith> | Hi Hixie |
| 04:52 | <MikeSmith> | will take a look at the e-mail about the registry stuff today |
| 05:57 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: haven't read the message about the registry yet but as far as the complexity, from the valiator side at least we there's no complexity needed as far as the set of data |
| 05:57 | <MikeSmith> | because the only thing the validator needs to consume is the list of valid names, and that's it |
| 05:59 | <MikeSmith> | whatever other data that people people add as part of registering a name, the validator doesn't need to see or do anything with |
| 06:01 | <MikeSmith> | so as far as I can see all we need exposed to us for the validator side is a space-separated list of the names |
| 06:03 | <MikeSmith> | no point in even having them as a JSON document even, because it would just be overkill since all the validator code would need to do is take the character stream with the names and split it up on the spaces |
| 07:09 | <foolip> | Hixie: yeah, the usage is shockingly low, and the intent to remove seems to have its required LGTMs, so here I go... |
| 08:56 | <Ms2ger> | foolip, what are you removing? |
| 09:38 | <jgraham> | SimonSapin: The point would be to make libraries in the virtualenv importable in random scripts, not just to make things in the venv/bin directory run (which I don't think they would without the venv being active anyway) |
| 09:50 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham, feel like reviewing? :) |
| 11:19 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham, r? https://github.com/w3c/testtwf-website/pull/211 |
| 11:46 | <MikeSmith> | protip the help manage critic e-mail filtering: go into https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/config and add a "[critic]" or something prefix to all the email.subjectLine.* params |
| 11:49 | Ms2ger | waves at zcorpan |
| 11:50 | zcorpan | is not here |
| 11:50 | <Ms2ger> | Didn't mean to imply you were |
| 11:51 | <Ms2ger> | Will you be around for testtwf? |
| 11:55 | <zcorpan> | no |
| 12:47 | Ms2ger | really needs a victim for FileAPI reviews |
| 13:10 | <MikeSmith> | "As usual, I agree with everything Simon said." |
| 13:58 | <Ms2ger> | Which Simon? |
| 14:03 | <MikeSmith> | the best Simon |
| 14:04 | <annevk-cloud> | Hixie: registry proposal looks good to me |
| 14:04 | <MikeSmith> | https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-dev/5sWUMC_d8Tg/gnxjyGTenvwJ |
| 14:05 | <annevk-cloud> | MikeSmith: would you not want JSON or some such for the data associated with meta names? |
| 14:05 | <MikeSmith> | annevk-cloud: because I will only use the names |
| 14:05 | <MikeSmith> | that's all we are using now |
| 14:06 | <MikeSmith> | and I have not plans to implement any of the other checking and reporting that Hixie is proposing |
| 14:06 | <annevk-cloud> | Hixie had some interesting suggestions as to how you could do more |
| 14:06 | <annevk-cloud> | I see |
| 14:06 | <MikeSmith> | right |
| 14:07 | <MikeSmith> | yeah I would be happy to add any of that if somebody else wants to provide a patch |
| 14:08 | <MikeSmith> | but I'm not convinced there's any problem that needs solving here, other than the very simple case of helping people catch unregistered/misspelled names |
| 14:09 | <MikeSmith> | and the problem of the latency between when people register new names and when Henri or me manage to get them added to the validator |
| 14:09 | <MikeSmith> | the only problem I've really had is I don't want to have to write code to scrape the wiki |
| 14:10 | <MikeSmith> | so I sure don't want to instead write even 10 times more code on the validator side to consume the rest of the registration data |
| 14:11 | <MikeSmith> | so all I want is a very simple API for retrieving just the list of registered names |
| 14:13 | <MikeSmith> | and as far as I can see the majority of the registered names are just junk that no (or almost no) existing applications actually consume |
| 14:14 | <MikeSmith> | so wI really have to wonder who are we really helping if we add yet more baroqueness around validator support for this feature |
| 15:17 | <Ms2ger> | If the element is mutable, the element's activation behavior is to do nothing. |
| 15:17 | <Ms2ger> | If the element is not mutable, it has no activation behavior. |
| 15:17 | Ms2ger | wonders what the difference is |
| 15:20 | <Ms2ger> | jgraham, want to sign off my changes in https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/642? |
| 16:55 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: are the scripts that generate the canvas tests now working as expected again? can we close https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/215 ? |
| 16:55 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: nm |
| 16:55 | <MikeSmith> | plh was asking me about the same thing |
| 16:56 | <MikeSmith> | I see you replied already |
| 16:56 | <Ms2ger> | He was? |
| 16:57 | <MikeSmith> | oh wait |
| 16:57 | <MikeSmith> | different issue |
| 16:57 | <MikeSmith> | I was thinking he asked you on #testing but I see now that was about #105 |
| 16:57 | <MikeSmith> | ok so can we close https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/215 ? |
| 16:58 | <Ms2ger> | Yep |
| 16:58 | Ms2ger | does that |
| 17:02 | <MikeSmith> | thanks |
| 17:18 | <Ms2ger> | annevk-cloud, any reason not to put the TextEncoder/Decoder tests into w-p-t rather than https://code.google.com/p/stringencoding? |
| 17:40 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: the proposal isn't gonna work if you only implement one tenth of it :-) |
| 17:59 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: I'll reply to the message when I have more time but basically the only existing problem that I can so far agree is in need of solving is the part about having an actual API to expose the name values so that we can have the validator use that instead of us needing to hardcode the names in the validator sources |
| 18:00 | <MikeSmith> | I'm not opposed to the other parts of the proposal if somebody were to care enough to spend time implementing them |
| 18:06 | <SpiritDrift> | join #webgl |
| 18:11 | <a-ja> | MikeSmith: newly-allowed ARIA values being added to validator? |
| 18:12 | <a-ja> | (8409 and 8412 in tracker) |
| 18:12 | <MikeSmith> | a-ja: I think we already have them in the validator |
| 18:12 | <MikeSmith> | if not please files bugs |
| 18:13 | <a-ja> | oh cool |
| 18:16 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: makes sense |
| 18:17 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: if the only thing we do is have a formal way to update validators, though, without e.g. the registration system, or the advice paragraphs on obsolete but known values, then we can build a much simpler system |
| 18:18 | <a-ja> | Hixie: see my message 4 or 5 days ago re tracker 8409?....bad? data-x values for group |
| 18:19 | <zewt> | grr @ python and its silly unhashable dicts |
| 18:19 | <Hixie> | a-ja: message where? |
| 18:20 | <a-ja> | <code data-x="attr-aria-role-directory">group</code>, |
| 18:20 | <a-ja> | 2 occurrences |
| 18:20 | <Hixie> | isn't that fixed already? |
| 18:20 | <Hixie> | i think i fixed it when you first mentioned it |
| 18:21 | <a-ja> | maybe locally? |
| 18:21 | <a-ja> | just hadn't seen another checkin changing it |
| 18:21 | <Hixie> | i find no occurrences of /role-directory">group/ in the spec |
| 18:21 | <Hixie> | i probably fixed it in some other checkin |
| 18:21 | <a-ja> | k...cool |
| 18:21 | <Hixie> | i don't bother with dedicated checkins for minor stuff like that, i usually fix it in passing while i'm doing a bigger thing |
| 18:22 | <Hixie> | (thanks for noticing, btw) |
| 18:22 | <Hixie> | ok, gotta go, bbiab |
| 18:22 | <Hixie> | (noticing the typo, i mean.) |
| 18:22 | <Ms2ger> | http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=8409&to=8410 |
| 18:22 | <a-ja> | btw...just saw un-prefixed border-box land in moz inbound |
| 18:23 | <a-ja> | (10yo bug) |
| 18:23 | <a-ja> | Ms2ger: that'd be rework of your patch |
| 18:24 | <Ms2ger> | Yep |
| 18:24 | <Ms2ger> | It even landed with my name on it :) |
| 18:24 | <a-ja> | noticed that :) |
| 18:25 | <a-ja> | Ms2ger: now uplift that sucker! |
| 18:25 | <a-ja> | if possible |
| 18:26 | <Ms2ger> | It's taken ten years, it can wait 6 more weeks :) |
| 18:26 | a-ja | know it's likely too late in cycle |
| 18:27 | <a-ja> | i'm just tired of it polluting my stylesheets |
| 18:28 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah, uplift is Monday after next, and I wouldn't be surprised by some breakage |
| 18:40 | <Ms2ger> | foolip, how about Window.captureEvents? |
| 18:42 | <a-ja> | Ms2ger: fyi, just submitted feedback to caniuse.com |
| 18:42 | <Ms2ger> | Thanks :) |
| 19:05 | <satazor> | Hello guys, I'm a developer of the recently released demo of http://baboom.com which is a new music service. We are using the new WebAudio API to provide FLAC playback, though we are having a few issues with it, and hopefully some of you guys can enlighten me |
| 19:07 | <satazor> | we are decoding FLAC files and using createScriptProcessor to fill raw pcm audio data, but the fact that the refill callback is on the UI thread has a major issue, which is that when browser is doing some heavy stuff, the audio data does not called in time, and that causes audio glitches |
| 19:07 | <MikeSmith> | satazor: that API isn't discussed here so much. I'm not sure who here is very familiar with it |
| 19:07 | <MikeSmith> | maybe roc |
| 19:08 | <satazor> | roc isn't here, or is under other username? |
| 19:09 | <MikeSmith> | satazor: no he'd be using that nick |
| 19:10 | <satazor> | I see, anyone else that could give me an hand? |
| 19:12 | <MikeSmith> | satazor: not that I can think of |
| 19:12 | <MikeSmith> | other options are posting to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/ |
| 19:12 | <MikeSmith> | or to https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues |
| 19:13 | <MikeSmith> | which I realize aren't real-time discussion but I don't think the audio people are around on IRC much |
| 19:17 | <MikeSmith> | satazor: you could try #audio on irc.w3.org |
| 19:17 | <satazor> | alright thanks for all these resources |
| 20:48 | <annevk-cloud> | Ms2ger: ask jsbell |
| 20:48 | <Ms2ger> | !summon jsbell |