| 00:01 | <JosephSilber> | ff respects the percentage height, while chrome does not |
| 00:03 | <TabAtkins> | Ah, this is due to a disagreement over whether "stretched" things are definite or not when the container is definite in the cross axis. |
| 00:08 | <zewt> | (oh yeah, the other big killer for chrome, the broken address bar autocompletion) |
| 00:09 | <TabAtkins> | JosephSilber: Firefox is correct - this was updated in the spec a while ago, and WK/Blink havent' updated yet: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-flexbox/#algo-stretch |
| 00:11 | <JosephSilber> | Is min-content considered a definite size? |
| 00:12 | <TabAtkins> | Nope. |
| 00:13 | <TabAtkins> | Just read the definition: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-sizing/#definite |
| 00:13 | <JosephSilber> | I thought so, but then why does it work? I guess it's considered an intrinsic height, but not a definite. |
| 00:14 | <TabAtkins> | I don't understand the question. Why does what work? |
| 00:28 | <Hixie> | zewt: oh ok |
| 00:28 | <Hixie> | zewt: weird |
| 00:30 | <zewt> | i guess |
| 00:30 | <zewt> | works well for me anyway :) |
| 00:32 | <Hixie> | i run out of room for my tabs going horizontally, nevermind vertically :-) |
| 00:40 | <zewt> | well the whole point is i can fit several times as many tabs vertically than horizontally |
| 05:54 | <Domenic_> | I want to start a conversation about adding GZIP and/or .zip file APIs to the web platform. What mailing list would people recommend? I'm thinking public-webapps? |
| 05:54 | <Domenic_> | Or whatwg@whatwg, perhaps. |
| 06:08 | <hendry> | Domenic_: talk to marcosc about zip files :-) |
| 06:17 | <Hixie> | Domenic_: anne was working on a zip: scheme or something for a bit |
| 06:21 | <Domenic_> | Hixie: yeah, but from what I remember he gave up on it. |
| 07:19 | <zcorpan> | Hixie: that svg paragraph, iirc it was added after people asking whether <svg xmlns:lol="wat"><lol:metadata such="wow"/> was valid in html |
| 11:03 | <zcorpan> | jgraham: Ms2ger: what do i need to do to run http://web-platform.test:8000/html/dom/interfaces.html ? |
| 11:03 | <Ms2ger> | Oh, right |
| 11:04 | <Ms2ger> | git submodules are broken |
| 11:04 | <Ms2ger> | Go into wpt/resources and git submodule update, or something |
| 11:06 | <jgraham> | Yeah, in theory git submodule update --recursive should work |
| 11:07 | <jgraham> | But it doesn't seem to for some reason |
| 11:11 | <MikeSmith> | I don't have a problem getting wpt/resources to update |
| 11:11 | <MikeSmith> | it updates fine for me with git submodule update --recursive |
| 11:11 | <MikeSmith> | the problem I run into is for wpt/tools |
| 11:12 | <MikeSmith> | which I deal with by doing "mv ./tools tools-old; git submodule init; git submodule update" |
| 11:12 | <MikeSmith> | or something like that |
| 11:14 | <MikeSmith> | hmm or at least dirtiness for wpt/resources goes away after submodule update --recursive |
| 11:15 | <MikeSmith> | but I guess that doesn't mean it's necessarily pulling the latest from the resources repo |
| 11:15 | <MikeSmith> | question mark |
| 11:18 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: It's resources/idlharness that's the problem (that might not be the right name) |
| 11:18 | <MikeSmith> | ah ok |
| 11:19 | MikeSmith | shuts up and tries pulling to see what happens |
| 11:20 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, if you just follow the readme, you get an empty wpt/resources/webidl2 |
| 11:20 | <MikeSmith> | oh, initially you mean? |
| 11:21 | <MikeSmith> | the very first time? |
| 11:21 | <MikeSmith> | so yeah I guess I remember having needed to do that |
| 11:21 | <zcorpan> | well... http://web-platform.test:8000/resources/WebIDLParser.js is still 404 for me |
| 11:22 | <webben> | I'm looking for prior art on how an application (a server in my case) should handle query strings like http://example.com?%atfoobar |
| 11:22 | <Ms2ger> | zcorpan, is webidl2 non-empty? |
| 11:22 | <webben> | note the "t" which makes %at not represent a percent-encoded code point |
| 11:22 | <zcorpan> | Ms2ger: it's empty |
| 11:23 | <webben> | as far as i can tell the url parsing algo at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/url/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#parsing just would return me "http://example.com?%atfoobar"; again |
| 11:24 | <Ms2ger> | Don't look at that |
| 11:24 | <Ms2ger> | The spec is at url.spec.whatwg.org |
| 11:24 | <webben> | I'm wondering if it's "correct" ("safe"?) error handling to treat such it equivalently to http://example.com?%25atfoobar |
| 11:24 | <webben> | Ms2ger: oooh. ty |
| 11:24 | <Ms2ger> | zcorpan, okay, I don't remember what the incantation is to get it updated |
| 11:26 | <webben> | hmm |
| 11:26 | <MikeSmith> | yeah I just tried a fresh resources/ submodule update from there and I get an empty webidl2 dir |
| 11:26 | <webben> | so looking at that, it's the same result, "http://example.com?%atfoobar";, except it's a non-fatal parse error |
| 11:27 | <MikeSmith> | if I cd into resources/ and do git pull it fails because it's a detached branch |
| 11:28 | <webben> | so I guess from the perspective of a server it's not unreasonable to correct to http://example.com?%25atfoobar (?) |
| 11:29 | <webben> | oh actually |
| 11:29 | <webben> | maybe that's what the spec is saying to do |
| 11:30 | <webben> | mmm ... ok only in the case of the fragment not the query |
| 11:30 | <zcorpan> | webben: what do you mean from the perspective of a server? what are you trying to do? |
| 11:32 | <webben> | Third-parties are generating query strings like ?a=quux&foo=bar&somethingelse=%atfoobar to my server. I'd like to capture these URLs, pull out data from the query strings, and generally process the request. |
| 11:33 | <webben> | My server happens to be delegating parsing the query string to some Jetty code, which emits from its depths an InvalidArgumentException when it tries to percent-decode %at |
| 11:33 | <webben> | I'm just wondering what the least incorrect error handling could be |
| 11:34 | <webben> | (and whether jetty's behavior could be improved for that matter) |
| 11:34 | <webben> | (this deep exception is thrown from a call like httpRequest.getRequestParams() ) |
| 11:35 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: it appears you have to cd to resources/ and then do a git init && git submodule update within there too and then the webidl2 directory will get populated. I don't know if that's that only way or the right way, but it does actually work at least. (And so I guess the --recursive flag to git submodule udpate doesn't really mean what it claims to mean)a |
| 11:35 | <webben> | so I'm wondering whether, for example, we should try to "correct" the url to http://example.com?a=quux&foo=bar&somethingelse=%25atfoobar before delegating to jetty |
| 11:37 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: not git submodule init ? |
| 11:37 | <webben> | zcorpan: Does this make any sense as a problem statement, at least? |
| 11:37 | <zcorpan> | webben: yes |
| 11:38 | <zcorpan> | webben: so either jetty could implement the url spec and not throw an exception |
| 11:39 | <zcorpan> | webben: or you could regexp fixup the url before handing it to jetty |
| 11:40 | <webben> | i wonder if jetty behavior were to change, how they should best signal a parse error without throwing an exception. |
| 11:41 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: yeah sorry I meant git submodule init (I should have just pasted it instead of retyping) |
| 11:49 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: If the readme is wrong, maybe you could fix it? |
| 12:01 | <zcorpan> | ok now the tests run |
| 12:01 | <zcorpan> | i failed to recover from git init though |
| 12:03 | <jgraham> | Shouldn |
| 12:03 | <jgraham> | 't git init on an existing repo be a noop |
| 12:03 | <jgraham> | ? |
| 12:04 | <jgraham> | I guess it might not interact well with submodules, but if so that seems like a bug |
| 12:06 | <zcorpan> | it wasn't a noop for me when i ran it in resources/ |
| 12:21 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: sorry :( |
| 12:21 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: yeah I will update the readme |
| 15:25 | <Ms2ger> | Are he blink UseCounter results public? |
| 15:26 | <Ms2ger> | *the |
| 15:54 | <mathiasbynens> | Ms2ger: there’s http://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/css/animated but other than that, I don’t think so |
| 15:54 | <mathiasbynens> | i meant http://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/css/popularity |
| 15:54 | <Ms2ger> | I found some 0% claims in another thread, which made me happy :) |
| 16:03 | <SimonSapin> | annevk-cloud, hsivonen: Do you agree that CSS’s "environment encoding" is a legacy thing and we don’t want new formats or linking mechanisms to define it? |
| 16:33 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: Do we not just want it to be UTF-8 in any new case? |
| 16:34 | <SimonSapin> | gsnedders: That’s the idea. If not provided, the next fallback is UTF-8 |
| 16:34 | <gsnedders> | SimonSapin: Well surely it doesn't matter if they define it or not, given the environment encoding will be UTF-8 :) |
| 16:35 | <SimonSapin> | Well :) |
| 16:35 | <SimonSapin> | This includes not having a charset attribute, for example |
| 17:07 | <dglazkov> | good morning, Whatwg! |
| 17:15 | <Ms2ger> | My dear dglazkov! |
| 18:48 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: So git submodule update --init --recursive does what you might think that git submodule update --recursive would do |
| 18:56 | <Hixie> | foolip: wtf is MSE? |
| 18:58 | <jgraham> | Hixie: Media Source Extensions |
| 18:59 | <Ms2ger> | Is that ROT13(DRM)? |
| 18:59 | <Hixie> | what are those? |
| 18:59 | <jgraham> | https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html |
| 18:59 | <jgraham> | No, this is for adaptive streaming using javascript |
| 19:00 | <Hixie> | (aw, another non-rfc-2119 spec) |
| 19:01 | <Hixie> | looks like a cool idea, i guess |
| 19:01 | <Hixie> | though seems like more effort than just having the browsers do it |
| 19:01 | <Hixie> | but ok |
| 19:01 | <Hixie> | any idea why they try to change TextTrack? |
| 19:11 | <annevk> | Hixie: to add SourceBuffer? |
| 19:11 | <annevk> | but I guess you could tell as much |
| 19:11 | annevk | goes back to doing useful stuff |
| 19:28 | <Hixie> | annevk: i mean, why do they make kind and language mutable |
| 19:29 | <Hixie> | falken: did the patch on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20418 fix all our problems? |
| 19:30 | <Ms2ger> | Hixie, fyi, updates in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22118 |
| 19:30 | <Hixie> | thanks |
| 19:30 | <Ms2ger> | Also, we might be able to drop document.all() |
| 19:31 | <Hixie> | yeah i saw that |
| 19:31 | <Hixie> | that's great! |
| 19:35 | <Hixie> | Ms2ger: more comments in that bug :-) |
| 19:35 | <Ms2ger> | \o/ |
| 19:35 | <Hixie> | anyone want to make a call on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24312 regarding what exactly i should spec? |
| 19:35 | <Hixie> | (<img> reloading when adopting) |
| 19:36 | <Ms2ger> | Aaaand I'm out :) |
| 19:37 | <annevk> | Hixie: hmm weird, I suppose language can change over time, dunno about kind |
| 19:37 | <Hixie> | languages of subtitles changing over time seems wildly crazy to me |
| 19:37 | <Hixie> | i'll be back later. gonna go get food. |
| 19:50 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: new formats or linking mechanisms should enforce utf-8 for themselves and subresources |
| 19:51 | <SimonSapin> | annevk: that’s different still. But I guess they can always do UTF-8 decoding themselves and parse the result like they would <style> |
| 19:52 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: yeah, you want some kind of override flag like the HTML parser has |
| 19:52 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: for these contexts |
| 19:53 | <SimonSapin> | annevk: I mean, parsing from code points is an existing hook, so CSS Syntax does not need to add a "UTF-8 only" hook for parsing from bytes |
| 20:14 | <Hixie> | annevk: does https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19505 look right? (the final proposal) |
| 20:28 | <annevk> | Hixie: yeah I think so |
| 20:28 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: you don't really want to have to decode / parse in some other spec when all you need is parse |
| 20:29 | <annevk> | SimonSapin: especially since it might lead implementers astray from doing the right thing |
| 20:32 | <Hixie> | annevk-cloud: k, i'm putting it in |
| 21:54 | <aleray> | hi, how can I prettyprint with html5lib python? I'm using lxml but this code does not output pretty html: http://dpaste.com/1589423/ |
| 21:55 | <aleray> | not sure if I should serialize using lxml or if I should rather use the html5lib serializer |
| 22:27 | <TabAtkins> | I'd like an answer to that, too - I haven't investigated pretty-printing yet, but Bikeshed's output is *really* ugly. ^_^ |