| 04:07 | <abarth> | marcosc_: you around? (not sure what time zone you're in) |
| 06:20 | <mathiasbynens> | zcorpan: ah the correct URL is http://dev.opera.com/blog/showmodaldialog/, but apparently we didn’t have a redirect set up. fixed |
| 09:09 | <jgraham> | Hixie: Oh, I forgot to say "no" |
| 09:56 | <Ms2ger> | MikeSmith, I dunno what the advantage is of closing old wpt PRs |
| 09:58 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: I don't know what the advantage is to keeping around old long-stale PRs that nobody's planning to actually ever review or take any more action on. |
| 09:58 | <MikeSmith> | they're just noise, accumulating |
| 09:59 | <Ms2ger> | I'm planning to deal with them at some point |
| 09:59 | <MikeSmith> | that's fine then, for those. I agree there's not point in closing those |
| 10:00 | <MikeSmith> | I'd just like to be able to identify the ones that nobody is actually planning to ever do anything more about |
| 10:07 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: thanks for closing that WebGL one, anyway |
| 10:08 | <Ms2ger> | I thought I'd commented on it before |
| 10:21 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: not as far as I can see |
| 10:22 | <Ms2ger> | Yeah |
| 10:22 | <Ms2ger> | Must've been a dream |
| 10:23 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: you dream big, man |
| 10:24 | <Ms2ger> | Dammit |
| 10:24 | <Ms2ger> | Oh, there it is |
| 10:56 | <jgraham> | Hmm, I guess I need to read my GH mail |
| 10:56 | <jgraham> | I'm not generally a fan of dropping PRs unless we did enough work to figure out that the PR has no value |
| 10:57 | <jgraham> | If you did that work, I'm all in favour of dropping them |
| 11:00 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: I don't know enough about galimatias to have an informed opition either way |
| 11:01 | <hsivonen> | MikeSmith: any reason not to update ICU4J? |
| 11:03 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: No reason except it'd need at least minimal testing. But I could do it and run it through the TestRunner + test suite and if that doesn't cause any exceptions or other code issues then I think we're good to go and I can push it |
| 11:04 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: so gimme a few minutes to try that now, and I'll ping you |
| 11:06 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: a number of those PRs I commented on today are more than a year old, with zero review. If nobody's reviewed than in a year than I'd say nobody sees enough value in having them to even take time to review them. |
| 11:06 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: I think that's a totally invalid inference |
| 11:08 | <jgraham> | We have missed various important things before simply because there aren't enough people spending time doing review |
| 11:08 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: well that's why I'm taking time to comment on them |
| 11:08 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: I've not closed any myself |
| 11:09 | <odinho> | I think the pinging is nice. |
| 11:09 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: I'm commenting to basically say, we need to take a look at this |
| 11:09 | <odinho> | But it should be done at a low enough frequency that it doesn't feel like too big a task to look through. |
| 11:09 | <odinho> | Like last time, I was pinged on a million things, and did nothing. This time only one PR, so I could take a look and close it. |
| 11:10 | <MikeSmith> | without doing some kind of gardening we just end up with a tail of stale PRs just growing without any bound |
| 11:10 | <MikeSmith> | odinho: well last time I did it was the first time and then I basically went through every open issue that was more than a couple months old |
| 11:11 | <MikeSmith> | going forward if we do it more regularly it'll be a lot less noisy |
| 11:11 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, I reckon it'd be good to be doing it once a month or so |
| 11:11 | <MikeSmith> | gardening I mean (for lack of a better word) |
| 11:13 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: Oh, OK, that seems reasonable |
| 11:14 | jgraham | wonders how rude it is to put headphones on in the WebDriver meeting for the bits where I don't plan to contribute ;) |
| 11:19 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: that WG's chair is kind of a hardass so you're probably risking an official reprimand |
| 12:03 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: OK I updated to ICU4J 53.1 (the latest stable) and tested it from a fresh checkout and it builds and runs, and runs the test suite without any crashes in the test harness or unexpected test failures |
| 12:04 | <MikeSmith> | hsivonen: so you could pull and build and deploy from that |
| 12:26 | <SimonSapin> | jgraham: how do remote devtools/debugging protocols relate to WebDriver? |
| 12:27 | <Ms2ger> | Not, I think |
| 12:27 | <SimonSapin> | out of scope? |
| 12:33 | <jgraham> | SimonSapin: Yeah, unrelated more or less |
| 12:34 | <jgraham> | Sometimes the remote debug protocol is used to implement webdriver, but that's an implementation detail |
| 12:36 | <SimonSapin> | Does http://remotedebug.org/ sounds worth pursuing? It was mentioned on the Servo list |
| 12:37 | <jgraham> | I think it sounds like a bad idea. I think that devtools is moving too fast and support is too vendor-specific to standardise |
| 12:38 | <jgraham> | I think I have heard somewhere that particular spec basically takes all the design mistakes of all the current protocols and standardises the union of them |
| 12:38 | <jgraham> | But I haven't actually looked at it myself |
| 12:39 | <jgraham> | (there might be something really useless that you could standardise for devtools like a wire protocol where all the actual features would basically be optional) |
| 12:40 | <jgraham> | I sort of expect that the pressure here is coming from webdevs who want to run their favourite devtools against some other browser without considering the fact that each feature also needs backend work |
| 12:41 | <jgraham> | At the moment we can break back-compat with impunity which allows adding new features more easilly (I assume) |
| 12:56 | MikeSmith | I mean registration for the TPAC f2f meeting of the Browser Testing WG in Santa Clara in October/November |
| 13:03 | <wilhelm> | jgraham: How rude! You'll definitely be reprimanded. |
| 13:07 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: I have absolutely no idea how Anolis numbers stuff. It's been too long since I looked at it! |
| 13:08 | <wilhelm> | SimonSapin: It's in our charter to work on if we want to. But we have no spec and no editor. (c: |
| 13:08 | <gsnedders> | ohai, London. |
| 13:09 | <darobin> | gsnedders: IIRC it generates IDs whenever it needs to, so if it looks at a certain element type first then it will number that, then the others (and not in document order) |
| 13:09 | <gsnedders> | darobin: this is what I would guess |
| 13:09 | <gsnedders> | darobin: and yes, it definitely only generates ids when it needs to |
| 16:38 | <MikeSmith> | fyi MIT's having some kind of network problem, so you'll find most w3c services inaccessible right now probably |
| 16:38 | <MikeSmith> | including bugzilla |
| 16:38 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: ↑ |
| 17:14 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: luckily i'm not really looking at bugzilla these days |
| 17:14 | <Hixie> | nearly got my anolis replacement done though |
| 17:14 | <Hixie> | (just the replacement) |
| 17:14 | <Hixie> | (not the new features) |
| 18:13 | <cryptic> | anyone know of any good data visualization channels? |
| 18:20 | SamB | imagines a cable channel meeting that description |
| 18:20 | <SamB> | cryptic: what sort of data? |
| 18:25 | <cryptic> | SamB: I have temperature data from various sensors on many floors of an office building |
| 18:25 | <cryptic> | temps are time-series data |
| 18:25 | <cryptic> | I'm plotting it against occupancy and time |
| 18:26 | <cryptic> | It's a typical 4d projection |
| 18:28 | <SamB> | I dunno, maybe #latex could send you somewhere good? |
| 18:28 | <cryptic> | an isometric projection of stacked area charts with color gradients should work |
| 18:29 | <cryptic> | #d3.js might be better |
| 18:29 | <cryptic> | didn't even know it existed |
| 18:30 | <SamB> | oh, you want it on the web? |
| 20:24 | <jgraham> | Hixie: So the webdriver people were discussing having something in the "Navigate" algorithm that give the UA the ability to opt out of performing a navigation even if it's a supported scheme (e.g. refusing to load file:// for whatever reason). Is that already somewhere in the spec that I missed, or does it sound sensible? |
| 20:24 | <Hixie> | seems likely to already be there, let me check |
| 20:25 | <Hixie> | step 10 is pretty open-ended |
| 20:25 | <Hixie> | assuming you're ok with still supporting fragment navigation |
| 20:27 | <jgraham> | Yeah, i think that would do it |
| 22:13 | <Hixie> | it's sad that when i try to update my pipeline, all the problems i get are due to the parts of the pipeline i haven't yet replaced... |
| 22:14 | <SamB> | yeah, why didn't you get those problems before? |
| 22:15 | <Hixie> | i did, it's part of why i'm replacing it |
| 22:49 | <Hixie> | great kittens. |
| 22:49 | <Hixie> | what a mess. |
| 22:54 | <Hixie> | ok! |
| 22:54 | <Hixie> | i'm no longer using anolis. |
| 22:54 | <Hixie> | (no new features yet though) |
| 23:09 | <caitp> | who here can answer a question about SVG in html5 us, for the benefit of that glorious front-end framework that is Angular |
| 23:09 | smaug____ | wishes other browsers started to warn about use of sync XHR in main thread |
| 23:09 | <pdr> | caitp, what is html5 us |
| 23:10 | <caitp> | good question, I think ti's a typo =) |
| 23:10 | <caitp> | google hangouts is setting my laptop on fire |
| 23:10 | <pdr> | ah :) I can probably answer your question. What's up? |
| 23:10 | <smaug____> | ojan: any chance Chrome could start warn about use of sync XHR ? |
| 23:11 | <pdr> | smaug____, I think ojan is on a plane. Can you file a bug at crbug.com? |
| 23:11 | <caitp> | pdr, someone had filed an issue on angular a while ago about this, https://github.com/angular/angular.js/issues/7538, where we get different behaviour between chrome and safari/firefox |
| 23:12 | <smaug____> | pdr: I think that requires logging to some google account |
| 23:12 | <smaug____> | so I'd prefer not to |
| 23:12 | <caitp> | i will try to boil that down to a simpler reproduction I think |
| 23:12 | <pdr> | smaug____, as you wish, but irc is a black hole for feature requests. |
| 23:13 | <smaug____> | I can always hope googlers file the bugs I mention here ;) |