| 00:13 | <GPHemsley> | Hixie_: ¿Qué es esto? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26787 |
| 00:18 | <GPHemsley> | List archive is broken? http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2011-February/030179.html |
| 00:41 | <Hixie_> | GPHemsley: load it in a browser that you haven't visited www.whatwg.org in recently and you should be fine |
| 00:42 | <GPHemsley> | Hixie_: Why's that? |
| 00:43 | <GPHemsley> | "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at lists.whatwg.org." |
| 00:43 | <Hixie_> | because if you've visited whatwg.org recently you'll have received the STS header |
| 00:43 | <Hixie_> | which tells your browser to never open an http:// connection to a whatwg.org subdomain |
| 00:43 | <Hixie_> | yet dreamhost haven't yet made lists.* subdomains support https |
| 00:44 | <GPHemsley> | oh, interesting |
| 00:47 | <GPHemsley> | oh, so, being broken is the expected state at the moment? |
| 00:47 | <Hixie_> | we're pretending lists.whatwg.org never existed |
| 00:48 | <Hixie_> | see how all mention of it has been scrubbed from whatwg.org/mailing-list, for instance |
| 00:48 | <GPHemsley> | ah |
| 00:48 | <GPHemsley> | are all the archives at w3.org now? |
| 00:48 | <Hixie_> | archives for whatwg@ have been available on w3.org for some time |
| 00:49 | <Hixie_> | and are much nicer than the lists.whatwg.org ones |
| 00:49 | <GPHemsley> | yeah, sorry, I didn't phrase that clearly: I meant, this has an equivalent page on w3.org somewhere? |
| 00:49 | <Hixie_> | what does "this" in that sentence refer to? |
| 00:50 | <GPHemsley> | the particular link I gave |
| 00:50 | <Hixie_> | oh |
| 00:50 | <Hixie_> | yes |
| 00:50 | <Hixie_> | no idea what it is though :-) |
| 00:50 | <Hixie_> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2011Feb/0025.html |
| 00:51 | <GPHemsley> | that was a quick turnaround :P |
| 00:51 | <Hixie_> | open the page, copy the first sentence into google... |
| 00:51 | <GPHemsley> | ah, you and your other browser |
| 00:53 | <GPHemsley> | (this is probably a naive question, I'm realizing now...) is there really a usecase for forcing a URL to HTTPS that doesn't actually connect? |
| 00:53 | <Hixie_> | preventing someone from DOSing the secure site and MITMing the insecure one |
| 00:54 | <GPHemsley> | yeah, that was basically what I expected the answer to be |
| 00:55 | <GPHemsley> | but aryeh's site is dead anyway? |
| 00:58 | <Hixie_> | GPHemsley: http://web.archive.org/web/20121127212525/http://aryeh.name/spec/innertext/innertext.html |
| 00:59 | <GPHemsley> | you and your lack of laziness :P |
| 00:59 | <Hixie_> | yeah, copying and pasting urls into text fields, such hard work |
| 00:59 | <GPHemsley> | I should probably work on my existing spec before I worry about other ones... |
| 00:59 | <Hixie_> | :-P |
| 01:03 | <GPHemsley> | Incidentally, I am soliciting suggestions for a good computer desk. Feel free to send them my way (publicly or privately), as I am currently stationed on the floor. |
| 01:20 | <Domenic> | terinjokes: don't listen to the haters; GitHub issues are 1000x better than mailing lists. |
| 01:21 | <Hixie_> | github issues are terrible |
| 01:21 | <Hixie_> | bugzilla bugs are pretty awesome though |
| 01:25 | <caitp-> | flexible and powerful but not well designed |
| 01:41 | <terinjokes> | i already have haters |
| 01:41 | <terinjokes> | awesome |
| 08:22 | <annevk> | terinjokes: haters? |
| 08:27 | <annevk> | Domenic: asynchronously is now something else, might want to update guides: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#in-parallel |
| 08:41 | <annevk> | I did not realize that if you're not using Nightly you don't get mixed content warnings in the UI for images |
| 08:43 | <annevk> | Can anyone tell me if https://codereview.chromium.org/265973003 is in Chrome stable? |
| 08:48 | <annevk> | Alternatively, run http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3191 and tell me what it says |
| 09:37 | <annevk> | hsivonen: observation: the messaging that crypto is too hard for people to try themselves discourages people from playing around in that area; it might makes sense if you deploy sites, but not in the general sense |
| 13:20 | <GPHemsley> | Bugzilla > GitHub |
| 15:31 | <JonathanNeal> | Am I reading kangax wrong or does this suggest Chrome 35+ has String.prototype.contains? http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/#String.prototype.contains |
| 15:43 | <JakeA> | annevk: going to binge on tickets next week, sorry for not really giving it the attention it deserves of late |
| 15:44 | <JakeA> | *conferences* |
| 15:47 | <annevk> | JakeA: getting input on the cache stuff would be good |
| 15:48 | <annevk> | JakeA: if you run into some networking people, point them to it :-) |
| 15:49 | <JakeA> | annevk: yeah, cache API consensus will be a priority. Will likely organise a call once I've gone through the issues |
| 15:50 | <JakeA> | annevk: will also take another serious look at the jenga thread |
| 15:50 | <annevk> | JakeA: sorry, this was fetch() cache setttings |
| 15:50 | <annevk> | JakeA: see tweet |
| 15:53 | <JakeA> | annevk: ahh yes, will look at that too. Also people have requested some way to set expiry on SW cache items... I think that's the point you just use the browser cache, but I want to give that more thought too |
| 15:53 | <annevk> | that doesn't make sense |
| 15:54 | <annevk> | as the whole interaction with the cache API is through script, so you can't really help not inspecting it |
| 15:54 | <JakeA> | That's my gut reaction too |
| 15:59 | <annevk> | JakeA: I could imagine setting an expiry for a URL |
| 21:14 | <GPHemsley> | Hixie_: Is everything whatwg.org now (instead of www.whatwg.org)? |
| 21:21 | <tantek> | yay for no-www.org :D |
| 21:27 | <GPHemsley> | Their wall of shame is for domains that forward no-www to www. But there are more deserving websites for which no-www flat out doesn't work. |
| 21:30 | <GPHemsley> | Oh, html.spec.whatwg.org is finally canonical? \o/ |
| 21:41 | <tantek> | speaking of shaming domains, http://httpshaming.tumblr.com/ |
| 21:46 | GPHemsley | wonders why <code> is no longer orange |
| 21:55 | <tantek> | anybody else watching the live video stream at edgeconf.com/2014-sf ? |
| 21:58 | <GPHemsley> | Look at me, closing mimesniff bugs and stuff... |
| 21:59 | <tantek> | GPHemsley++ |
| 21:59 | <GPHemsley> | :) |