| 06:30 | <zewt_> | now chrome suddenly wasting a ton of tab bar space to tell me my name. why does everything get worse? |
| 06:31 | <zewt_> | wonder if it'll go away if i log out of google |
| 06:32 | <paul_irish> | zewt_: chrome://flags/#enable-new-profile-management disable here |
| 06:33 | <paul_irish> | zewt_: there's also chrome://flags/#enable-fast-user-switching but i'm not 100% sure what effect it has |
| 06:52 | <MikeSmith> | https://github.com/gabelerner/canvg seems fairly cool |
| 06:54 | hemanth | tries ES6 classes on ions https://twitter.com/GNUmanth/status/555254535531139073 ;) |
| 06:54 | <hemanth> | /ions/iojs duh! |
| 07:07 | <Domenic> | MikeSmith: wow, nice find |
| 07:07 | <MikeSmith> | diffalot: |
| 07:08 | <MikeSmith> | oofs |
| 07:08 | <MikeSmith> | Domenic: Patrick Walton found that https://twitter.com/pcwalton/status/554789716772401152 |
| 07:08 | <MikeSmith> | I just re-found it from him |
| 07:08 | <Domenic> | fascinating, that servo is actually using this |
| 07:09 | <zewt_> | paul_irish: i assume it won't be an option for long if it's buried like that, thanks though |
| 08:16 | <annevk> | Is io.js a fork of Node.js? |
| 08:16 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 08:18 | <tantek> | I keep forgetting, which one has more social justice? |
| 08:18 | <MikeSmith> | community fork to take it back from Joyent, as far as I understand |
| 08:18 | <tantek> | didn't it have to do with he/she/they pronouns or something? |
| 08:18 | <MikeSmith> | wha |
| 08:18 | <annevk> | I remember there was some outcry over a board appointed by a private company |
| 08:19 | <tantek> | the forking will continue until no one private entity controls the project |
| 08:19 | <annevk> | But my Twitter timeline has not provided the details clearly and I have not cared to look into it thus far |
| 08:20 | <charl> | i thought it had something to do with ecmascript and the harmony flag but i have not looked into it extensively |
| 08:20 | <charl> | haven't used node much the past couple of years |
| 08:31 | <iandevlin> | I have never used node, does that make me a heathen? |
| 08:33 | <annevk> | I have not either |
| 08:34 | <annevk> | My host's default software makes it much easier to write something in Python... |
| 08:35 | <iandevlin> | I have also never used Python. |
| 08:36 | <charl> | i mostly use python on the server too but that's more a case of personal preference than anything else |
| 08:36 | <annevk> | I would use JavaScript I think if it was just a matter of dumping a file |
| 08:37 | <annevk> | It doesn't really matter much, end result is network traffic either way |
| 09:01 | <MikeSmith> | I guess foolip no longer does irc |
| 09:02 | <MikeSmith> | wanted to ask him if ruby is supported in WebVTT text tracks |
| 09:02 | <MikeSmith> | I guess I need to read the spec instead |
| 09:03 | <MikeSmith> | ah there's at least one wpt test case that has it |
| 09:53 | <jgraham> | Domenic: Not sure it's the long term plan for servo (I expect without measuring that you get beter perf and more features with a native implementation), but it gives something with very little effort |
| 09:54 | <Ms2ger> | Someone said Servo? |
| 09:55 | <Ms2ger> | Domenic, Servo isn't using it |
| 09:55 | <Ms2ger> | Domenic, and it's not at all certain that it will |
| 10:04 | <annevk> | mounir_: happy b-day! |
| 10:13 | <mounir_> | annevk: thanks for reminding me I'm old :) |
| 10:14 | <annevk> | mounir_: did you get any presents old man? |
| 10:14 | <Ms2ger> | annevk, want to help review https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/3723 ? |
| 10:15 | <mounir_> | annevk: na, that's for youngsters |
| 10:16 | <jgraham> | Maybe we should find mounir_ a review for his birthday |
| 10:17 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: hmm, if we are going to include encodings.js some other tests should maybe be rewritten... |
| 10:17 | <mounir> | jgraham: I could probably do one of the reviews in my queue :) |
| 10:18 | <Ms2ger> | annevk, that might be a reasonable idea |
| 10:18 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: are you reviewing now? |
| 10:18 | <Ms2ger> | annevk, no |
| 10:21 | <annevk> | assert_throws, shouldn't that take new TypeError() as first argument? |
| 10:23 | <Ms2ger> | Either way works, but I guess new TypeError() is used more |
| 10:34 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: actually, I think I rather focus on custom elements a bit more and leave this until that's a bit further ahead |
| 10:34 | <Ms2ger> | Wfm |
| 11:32 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: the spec has ruby (only <ruby> and <rt>). not sure who implements it, but presto didn't (apart from supporting in the parser probably) |
| 11:35 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: ah ok thanks |
| 11:36 | <MikeSmith> | I still hadn't gotten around to checking the spec |
| 11:36 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: it's a feature that is unique to webvtt compared to other subtitle formats, iirc |
| 11:36 | <MikeSmith> | Oh |
| 11:37 | <zcorpan> | except for burnt-in subtitles which can do whatever |
| 11:37 | <MikeSmith> | sure |
| 11:38 | <MikeSmith> | well it's used quite a lot with TV captions in Japan |
| 11:38 | <MikeSmith> | maybe that's only started to happen recently |
| 11:39 | <MikeSmith> | And to be clear I mean it's used now everyday in non-burnt-in captions |
| 11:40 | <MikeSmith> | ones that need to be optionally turned on to be viewed |
| 11:41 | <MikeSmith> | closed captions, or whatever they're properly called now |
| 11:41 | <MikeSmith> | for hearing-impaired people |
| 11:42 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: i think it's worked around using font-size and character-level positioning in other formats, rather than native support in the format for ruby |
| 11:43 | <zcorpan> | i don't recall what led me to think this but a quick google search on the topic seems to support my claim :-) |
| 11:46 | <zcorpan> | it's possible that there is a format or profile or extension of a format in use in japan that has native support though |
| 11:50 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: hmm yeah I'll ask. we have a guy on the w3c team now in Japan, Yosuke Funahashi, who knows intimately about everything related to broadcasting in Japan, as far as technologies |
| 11:51 | <zcorpan> | cool |
| 13:57 | <Ms2ger> | And suddenly Bert Bos in my twitter |
| 13:57 | <Ms2ger> | Thanks for the retweet, MikeSmith :) |
| 14:04 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: servo? |
| 14:04 | <Ms2ger> | Some conference in .jp |
| 14:04 | <MikeSmith> | ah |
| 14:06 | <MikeSmith> | ah I see Bert |
| 14:06 | <MikeSmith> | "Bos" means "Badass" in Belgian |
| 14:13 | <Ms2ger> | Actually it means "forest" |
| 14:13 | <MikeSmith> | in some dialects, yes |
| 14:15 | MikeSmith | tries to figure out other ways to get Bert into Ms2ger's twitter |
| 14:18 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: v.nu gives 502 again |
| 14:26 | <zcorpan> | MikeSmith: i get an error for media="((min-width: 769px), (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2), (min-resolution: 192dpi))" for the double-parens but i think it should be allowed per spec |
| 14:26 | <zcorpan> | (this is from canistaywithyouwhileirentmyplaceonairbnb.com ) |
| 14:27 | <Ms2ger> | From where? |
| 14:33 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: oh |
| 14:34 | <MikeSmith> | I'd think the code I wrote should handle that as expected |
| 14:35 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: can you please file a bug for that? |
| 14:35 | <zcorpan> | sure |
| 14:36 | <zcorpan> | which component? |
| 14:38 | <zcorpan> | https://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=1014 |
| 14:53 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: thanks, that'll work |
| 14:54 | <MikeSmith> | https://github.com/validator/validator/issues works fine now too, if you like the Github |
| 14:54 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 17:22 | <annevk> | Is there a betting pool yet for how long we can have "fetch" as a global variable? |
| 17:26 | <Ms2ger> | Anyone going over a week? |
| 17:28 | <zcorpan> | oh it's in canary now huh |
| 17:37 | <annevk> | Ms2ger: bad odds, but oooh the reward :-P |
| 17:38 | <annevk> | (there's no reward) |
| 17:42 | <zcorpan> | annevk: what's a regexp that finds problematic uses of "fetch"? |
| 17:43 | <Ms2ger> | \bfetch\b |
| 17:44 | <zcorpan> | var fetch = "foo"; isn't actually problematic, is it? |
| 17:50 | <jgraham> | Presumably just defining a variable, even a global, isn't problematic. It's things like testing for fetch == undefined |
| 17:52 | <zcorpan> | or bare fetch in event handler attributes |
| 19:51 | <zewt_> | also using generic words is just annoying api (the number of times I've wanted to name a variable max or len in python; ugh) |
| 19:55 | <zewt_> | (not that fetch is *that* bad) |
| 20:39 | <annevk> | Meh, inbox explosion |
| 20:40 | <annevk> | zewt_: it's a bit annoying how variables are not separately scoped |
| 21:57 | <TabAtkins> | annevk: On the other hand, Common Lisp's separation of methods and variables is also annoying at times. It's a trade-off. |