| 00:05 | smaug____ | mumbles something to TabAtkins ;) |
| 00:06 | <smaug____> | one day I'll figure out why Google is so against any talk about encapsulation, which is a thing other vendors have brought up so often |
| 00:07 | <smaug____> | oh well |
| 00:14 | <caitp> | does it ever weird you out that if one employee of an organization, even if they're not in a management position, has an opinion on something, it is often taken to mean "Organization X has opinion Y" |
| 00:15 | <caitp> | or even if they are in a management position, in some cases |
| 00:55 | <TabAtkins> | smaug____: If you're getting "Tab doesn't care about encapsulation" when my message is very explicitly "stop ignoring composition", um? |
| 00:58 | <TabAtkins> | I also explicitly said "there are valuable isolation use-cases", but I did it in a later reply and I"m not sure of the time ordering of this IRC convo and the email, so you get a pass. ^_^ |
| 08:22 | <annevk> | Domenic: is anyone playing with your Streams polyfill? |
| 08:32 | <zcorpan> | how does one upload things to w3cmemes these days? |
| 08:37 | <annevk> | not sure, judging by the memes sgalineau__ prolly knows |
| 09:27 | <annevk> | dglazkov: thanks again for raising that cloning question, that might be what everyone needed to buy into the Dmitry solution (or come up with something super clever, we'll see) |
| 10:40 | <zcorpan> | i wonder when the firefox logo becomes flat |
| 10:40 | <zcorpan> | or maybe firefox will outlive the flat trend |
| 10:41 | <annevk> | Did https://blog.mozilla.org/creative/2013/06/27/a-new-firefox-logo-for-a-new-firefox-era/ not make it flat enough? |
| 10:43 | <annevk> | zcorpan: not even Opera downloads are distributed over TLS |
| 10:45 | <zcorpan> | annevk: oh ok, i guess i missed the change |
| 10:45 | <zcorpan> | annevk: that's a known issue |
| 10:46 | <annevk> | zcorpan: I guess it's still not really flat, it curves a bit around the globe |
| 11:16 | <jgraham> | |
| 13:04 | <JonathanNeal> | Is there a specific property in the works for making something visually hidden but available to screen readers? It’s often brought up as something needed, but there’s no clean solution http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2012/05/html5-accessibility-chops-hidden-and-aria-hidden/ http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/hiding-content-for-accessibility |
| 13:04 | <JonathanNeal> | http://webaim.org/techniques/css/invisiblecontent/ |
| 13:14 | <annevk> | JonathanNeal: technically that should still be display:none |
| 13:14 | <annevk> | JonathanNeal: but I guess there's rampant abuse that makes that impractical? |
| 13:16 | <Ms2ger> | Screen readers don't read display:none content, AIUI |
| 13:19 | <JonathanNeal> | And [hidden] computes to display:none so we’re really out of luck. |
| 13:26 | <JonathanNeal> | I’m looking for something like [offscreen] |
| 13:31 | <annevk> | Screen readers are so tricky. They sort of want the layout tree exposed, but the standards are designed with the idea that they get the content tree... |
| 13:32 | <annevk> | And all the advocacy is rather similar, e.g. "designing for Google" is like designing for a screen reader... |
| 13:32 | <annevk> | Now soon that may be true given that Google is starting to use "headless" browsers, but still |
| 13:37 | <JonathanNeal> | annevk: hmm, the usual visually-hidden block looks like rect(0px 0px 0px 0px); position: absolute; — I wonder if I could just stick that on [aria-visible]:not([aria-visible="false"]):not(:active):not(:focus) |
| 13:40 | <JonathanNeal> | Or [aria-hidden=“false”]:not(:active):not(:focus) |
| 13:46 | <bkardell> | JonathanNeal: why the need for the nots there? |
| 13:47 | <JonathanNeal> | bkardell: in less-often cases where a visually hidden element is focusable, it is usually desired to have the element become visually shown to the user. skip to links fall into this category. |
| 13:48 | <JonathanNeal> | That was phrased poorly, I’m sorry. When an element is both visually-hidden and focusable, like skip-to links at the top of a page, then the desired effect is usually to have them become visible on focus. |
| 14:10 | <bkardell> | hmm I see |
| 14:17 | <annevk> | welcome bkardell \o/ |
| 14:17 | <bkardell> | lol |
| 14:17 | <bkardell> | I don't start work for another 2 hours :) |
| 14:28 | <JakeA> | annevk: Is there a time you can make a call about ServiceWOrker & postMessage? |
| 14:29 | <annevk> | JakeA: today and tomorrow are rather tricky, some visitors so have stuff going on in the evening |
| 14:30 | <JakeA> | annevk: ok, will try and rearrange. Alex is in the UK so could do something earlier, although that'll be tricky for Jonas if you think he needs to be part of it |
| 14:32 | <annevk> | JakeA: I still think talking to Hixie will likely go much better |
| 14:33 | <annevk> | JakeA: he has thought up the entire postMessage() system afaik |
| 14:39 | <JakeA> | annevk: ok, I'll see if I can pin him down for a meeting |
| 14:57 | <jsx> | Any idea about the status of @counter-style implementation in Chrome and IE? |
| 14:58 | <jsx> | I checked status.modern.ie and chromium bug list, but no info there. |
| 15:02 | <caitp> | what does @counter-style mean |
| 15:03 | <jsx> | It lets you define custom counter styles for lists. |
| 15:03 | <jsx> | described here - http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-counter-styles-3/#at-ruledef-counter-style |
| 15:08 | <caitp> | tab would probably know if there's been anything about that started |
| 15:10 | <jsx> | looking forward to hear from him or someone in the chrome team |
| 15:37 | <Domenic> | annevk: some Node people have used it (and one caused feedback into the spec). I've been meaning to make demos using it for a while---the spec even contains examples for web socket streams. And, this week I am investigating adapting it into a patch for V8. |
| 15:37 | <annevk> | interesting |
| 16:10 | wanderview | almost types Demonic instead of Domenic in a bug... |
| 16:13 | <Domenic> | spellcheckers hate him |
| 16:23 | hemanth | nmotw: Use a ES6 map, like an Object! -> http://nmotw.in/objectmap/ |
| 16:25 | <hemanth> | Complete one year since /me start nmotw.in did not miss a week, 48 modules and counting ^_^ ... |
| 17:52 | <JakeA> | Hixie: any availability for a call on ServiceWorker & postMessage. We've got a bit stuck on https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/609 |
| 18:00 | <Ms2ger> | Inviting Hixie for sync communication? |
| 18:01 | <Ms2ger> | That's an interesting strategy, let's see how it plays out |
| 18:02 | <JakeA> | Yeah, I used deliberately incorrect punctuation in that message to baffle him into agreeing |
| 19:55 | <JonathanNeal> | Does anyone know ways to identify content as assistive-only aka offscreen aka visually-hidden (not necessarily a way to style it, but a way to communicate it in the document)? |
| 20:41 | <Domenic> | TabAtkins: I think we should copy your namespaces post into the WHATWG wiki somewhere |
| 20:49 | <TabAtkins> | Domenic: Feel free. |
| 22:34 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: can you get the wiki account Domenic tied to Domenic's email address somehow? |
| 22:34 | <annevk> | GPHemsley: it's not entirely clear to me how to edit an existing user |
| 22:39 | <tantek> | annevk: you have to dig into the MediaWiki install to find a magic PHP script to do the right MySQL voodoo |
| 22:39 | <annevk> | Yeah, GPHemsley knows how it works |
| 22:39 | <annevk> | I tried searching around, but didn't really get anywhere |
| 23:09 | <Hixie> | JakeA: i'm not up to date on the serviceworker stuff, but i'm happy to advise within that constraint |
| 23:09 | <Hixie> | JakeA: what's the problem? |
| 23:10 | <Hixie> | Domenic: you got wiki issues i hear? |
| 23:45 | <Domenic> | Hixie: yeah, I tried to forgot-password for Domenic and didn't get any email. also tried emailing wiki-admin and got a weird error. |