| 00:44 | <annevk> | talking about starving, already hungry again |
| 00:44 | <annevk> | I should learn how to breakfast |
| 00:47 | <nikkibee> | I hope the convention has meals... pycon would have been a lot harder for me if they didn't serve lunches there |
| 00:52 | <gsnedders> | We have food. We'll see how good it is. :) |
| 01:11 | <MikeSmith> | I reckon the food there will be pretty good, but I look forward to hearing y'alls assessments |
| 01:59 | <gsnedders> | TabAtkins: well that explains why you ignored me earlier :P |
| 02:00 | <TabAtkins> | People aren't allowed to change their hair style. |
| 02:01 | <gsnedders> | WELL I'M SORRY |
| 02:01 | <TabAtkins> | YOU SHOULD BE |
| 02:09 | <karlcow> | hober: about innerText https://github.com/whatwg/compat/issues/5 |
| 02:09 | <karlcow> | and spec https://github.com/rocallahan/innerText-spec |
| 02:09 | <karlcow> | and Gecko bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264412 |
| 02:09 | <karlcow> | necessary for Web Compat issues. |
| 02:49 | <gsnedders> | I still don't get the structure of idlharness.js |
| 03:01 | <caitp> | does it not parse a webidl file, and build assertions about the interfaces it defines? |
| 03:01 | <caitp> | and then yell at you if your implementation doesn't match the expected interface? |
| 03:01 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 03:02 | <MikeSmith> | though there are two parts of it |
| 03:02 | <MikeSmith> | the parser part is a separate script |
| 03:02 | <gsnedders> | caitp: yes, that's how it works |
| 03:02 | <MikeSmith> | idlharness.js itself just does the comparing |
| 03:02 | <gsnedders> | caitp: but it's how stuff is arranged within the JS implementation of idlharness.js |
| 03:04 | MikeSmith | tries to remember who wrote it |
| 03:05 | <MikeSmith> | I hacked^Wwrote some parts of it, to add support for particular featuresーbut I can't be blamed for the whole thing |
| 03:08 | <caitp> | all the bound closures are a bit hrd to reason about |
| 04:38 | <annevk> | nikkibee: heh, there's food |
| 05:10 | <jgraham> | Well there wasn't by 1pm |
| 05:14 | <zcorpan> | so anyone want to design a new logo for webvtt? see https://twitter.com/webvtt |
| 05:15 | <MikeSmith> | yeah I seems they need to do some significant correction on the food sizing for the rest of the week |
| 05:15 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: food was good while it lasted. even those of us who got food didn't get much. |
| 05:17 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, in Japan, people typically eat a lot more rice at meals than most folks from elsewhere typically eat |
| 05:18 | <MikeSmith> | so, you kinda of fill up on that, and the portions of the other stuff are smaller |
| 05:19 | <MikeSmith> | I think people at, like, maybe twice as much rice as most people from elsewhere would eat with a meal |
| 05:20 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, I am told by the organizers that they are on it |
| 05:22 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: suggest a font with rounded letters |
| 05:22 | <MikeSmith> | like, balloon shape |
| 05:24 | <MikeSmith> | and much thinner white border part |
| 05:24 | <MikeSmith> | otherwise I think you should keep that basic idea |
| 05:47 | <zcorpan> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3703 |
| 05:51 | <MikeSmith> | zcorpan: like! |
| 05:52 | <TabAtkins> | +1, nice logo |
| 05:52 | <zcorpan> | w00t |
| 05:55 | <gsnedders> | Speaking of editing APIs, what's the best open source WYSIWYG editor nowadays? |
| 05:59 | <caitp> | browser devtools, probably |
| 06:03 | <MikeSmith> | indeed yeah |
| 06:03 | <MikeSmith> | never thought of it in those terms |
| 06:09 | <gsnedders> | caitp: that's not exactly end-user friendly :) |
| 06:15 | <caitp> | dreamweaver? microsoft office 98? |
| 06:15 | <caitp> | idk |
| 06:17 | <gsnedders> | I meant of the JS sort |
| 06:17 | <gsnedders> | Like TinyMCE |
| 06:19 | <caitp> | raptor-editor looks pretty flashy |
| 07:17 | <zcorpan> | TabAtkins: https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/pull/508 |
| 07:40 | <TabAtkins> | zcorpan: merged |
| 07:40 | <zcorpan> | ty |
| 07:45 | <zcorpan> | TabAtkins: updating bikeshed i now get FATAL ERROR: No 'property' refs found for 'unicode-bidi' compatible with status 'ED'. - previously it linked to https://drafts.csswg.org/css-writing-modes-3/#propdef-unicode-bidi which looks like an ED |
| 07:46 | <TabAtkins> | zcorpan: WM isn't building right now, I need to fix whatever's fucking it up. |
| 07:47 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 07:47 | <TabAtkins> | Tho we do serve the old version, so, hmm. Probably a bug in Shepherd. |
| 07:47 | <TabAtkins> | I'll bug plinss. |
| 11:12 | <schalkneethling> | hi there all |
| 11:12 | <schalkneethling> | I have a quick question I would like to get people's opinion on |
| 11:13 | <schalkneethling> | what is the standard with the widest support, and longevity between microdata and microformats? |
| 11:13 | <schalkneethling> | From the microforat wiki it seems that microformats2 has "replaced" microdata |
| 11:13 | <schalkneethling> | is this true? |
| 11:14 | <schalkneethling> | I know it is still maintained as part of the HTML spec by the WhatWG but that the W3C has dropped it (seems like ~2013) |
| 11:14 | <schalkneethling> | so I am curious as to the current and future status |
| 11:14 | <schalkneethling> | thank you |
| 12:11 | <espadrine> | schalkneethling: you want to focus on what is implemented, which is probably what schema.org supports. |
| 12:16 | <espadrine> | microdata is pretty simple, which is probably good, but in some places such as email, json-ld is preferred |
| 12:19 | <espadrine> | it all depends on what you build though — if it's meant to be read by search engines, or email engines, or custom tools in an intranet… |
| 12:42 | <schalkneethling> | thanks espadrine |
| 12:43 | <schalkneethling> | just general research on the state of things like microdata |
| 13:21 | <philipj> | zcorpan: is annevk at TPAC? |
| 13:23 | <zcorpan> | philipj: yes |
| 13:24 | <philipj> | zcorpan: ok, then I'll wait until he's back to bug him about some fetch stuff |
| 13:25 | <zcorpan> | philipj: wdyt about the new webvtt logo? |
| 13:25 | <philipj> | zcorpan: where it it? |
| 13:26 | <zcorpan> | https://twitter.com/webvtt and https://github.com/w3c/webvtt (soon as favicon on the spec too, though there was a problem with bikeshed) |
| 13:27 | <philipj> | zcorpan: who made it? |
| 13:27 | <zcorpan> | i did |
| 13:28 | <philipj> | phone |
| 13:30 | <philipj> | it's nice, a speech bubble was precisely what I had in mind |
| 13:31 | <philipj> | in my master plan, it was of course green with a question mark in, but that didn't work out :) |
| 13:32 | <philipj> | between the two Ts there's just enough space that you'll get some different result depending on rasterization, maybe smashing them together entirely or pulling them a part a little would look better |
| 13:32 | <philipj> | also, obviously the text should scroll up :) |
| 13:42 | <zcorpan> | ok thx. it doesn't bother me about the Ts |
| 13:43 | <zcorpan> | one day i might do an SVG version |
| 13:43 | <zcorpan> | i designed it in live dom viewer using css :-) |
| 13:48 | <philipj> | oh... I assumed this was SVG :) |
| 13:49 | <philipj> | zcorpan: url to logo in live dom viewer? |
| 13:49 | <zcorpan> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3703 |
| 13:51 | <zcorpan> | whenever i write svg i have to constantly look up how to do things. css i can do without looking things up |
| 13:52 | <philipj> | zcorpan: I thought the text was boxes as well, needs some font I don't have :) |
| 13:53 | <zcorpan> | yeah |
| 17:26 | <johnme> | sicking: did you get a chance to look at https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/pull/48? |
| 18:01 | <sicking> | johnme: hrm.. hard to review a diff to the spec source, given that I don't know the spec that well, and not the source at all. From what I can tell by the webidl changes it looks good though. |
| 18:02 | <johnme> | Jonas: might be easier to review in HTML form?: http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fjohnmellor%2Fnotifications%2Ff72a0417b9cacc3e29194bc7e0e602d97224e5a5%2Fnotifications.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fjohnmellor%2Fnotifications%2F5022b8399443601162f77557d023e80411a15154%2Fnotifications.html |
| 18:02 | <johnme> | sicking: oops, wrong username above :) |
| 18:02 | <sicking> | either works actually :) |
| 18:03 | <johnme> | sicking: annevk took a look and seems happy, but wanted your second opinion: https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/pull/48?#issuecomment-149230945 |
| 18:04 | <sicking> | johnme: i'm still bummed that we can't support icons in the actions. You guys should lean on the Android team to fix that |
| 18:05 | <sicking> | johnme: obviously it's just as impossible for us to fix that in Firefox for Android as it is for you guys though, so i'm fine with the spec as-is |
| 18:05 | <johnme> | sicking: actually, we're making progress there - Marshmallow lets us pass in arbitrary bitmaps for the icons, and we're exploring the possibility of using custom layouts on older versions of Android in order to support icons |
| 18:05 | <sicking> | oh, interesting! |
| 18:05 | <johnme> | sicking: once this lands, I'll work on a proposal for icons |
| 18:05 | <sicking> | very cool! |
| 18:06 | <johnme> | sicking: good to hear you're happy with it. mind commenting on the PR so Anne can land it? |
| 18:06 | <sicking> | lemme skim through the rest of the HTML-diff and i'll do it after |
| 18:07 | <johnme> | thanks |
| 19:22 | <Guest19153> | Hello all, I wanted to introduce myself. I am a potential candidate for the OPW intership with the HTML standards project. Was wondering if there was anyone who had time to possibly mentor me as I attempt to make my first open source contribution to this project? |
| 19:25 | <nikkibee> | hello. annevk (the mentor for the project) and a lot of the group are at a web related conference this week, in Japan |
| 19:25 | <nikkibee> | there's still people around who can help though, so you should be able to make a contribution |
| 19:55 | <nikkibee> | Guest19153: I'd reccomend emailing annevk at annevk⊙an for advice on where to get started. that's what I did, and he was able to respond soon |
| 19:57 | <Guest19153> | Thank you all for the feedback, I actually reached out to him and although he is at a conference he was kind enough to respond. I just didn't want to bug him too much but I only have 5 days to submit a contribution to apply for the intership. I found out about it pretty late, but I'll start w/reading the docs tonight |
| 20:04 | <rits> | Domenic: Hello, actually i am working on the outreachy proposal and was working on the timeline of the project, but i have not been able to contact annevk for the same, |
| 20:04 | <rits> | so could you help me by giving some hints what main objectives have to be achieved during the internship period, thanks |