| 00:30 | <caitp> | does anyone know where that spec about same-origin security went? I thought it got put on github on the whatwg org, but I don't see it |
| 00:33 | <caitp> | whatever it was called, that thing that used to be just an etherpad |
| 00:37 | <caitp> | god why is it impossible to find frigging anything :< |
| 00:42 | <caitp> | https://github.com/annevk/html-cross-origin-objects this thing --- y'all should move that to an actual org sometime so it's easier to find @_@ |
| 01:26 | <Domenic> | caitp: it's in the actual spec now |
| 01:26 | <Domenic> | annevk: you should gut that repo |
| 01:27 | <caitp> | eh, it's even harder to find things in the html spec, I dunno how you guys deal with it |
| 01:27 | <Domenic> | caitp: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#cross-origin-objects + https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-windowproxy-exotic-object + https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-location-interface |
| 01:27 | <Domenic> | singlepage plus Ctrl+F gets you pretty far |
| 01:27 | <caitp> | on a laptop? takes forever :p |
| 01:27 | <caitp> | even worse on a phone |
| 01:39 | <caitp> | hmm, so you guys made Window not array-like by moving the indexed property access stuff to WindowProxy to escape the rules of webidl? o_o |
| 01:46 | <Domenic> | I believe so that Window could become a non exotic object |
| 01:46 | <Domenic> | Also because of something about navigation and cross origin indexed access |
| 08:32 | <annevk> | Domenic: it says right at the top that it's obsolete |
| 08:42 | <mkwst> | annevk: How does Anolis resolve references to documents? Like, what do I need to poke to get the credential management thing into a list that it can resolve? |
| 08:42 | <mkwst> | (Also, good morning!) |
| 08:42 | <annevk> | mkwst: morning, you need to have https://github.com/whatwg/xref/ in parallel dir |
| 08:43 | <mkwst> | annevk: I do. I guess I need to send a PR there, thanks! |
| 08:44 | <annevk> | mkwst: I can give you commit access |
| 08:44 | <mkwst> | Ok. I'd still ask you to review a PR. :) |
| 08:44 | <annevk> | ok |
| 08:44 | <mkwst> | just to make sure I understand how it works. |
| 08:47 | Ms2ger | sticks his head up |
| 08:48 | <Ms2ger> | Who's still using anolis? |
| 08:48 | Ms2ger | is starting to understand why Windows XP is still everywhere |
| 08:53 | <zcorpan> | Ms2ger: so how do i get anolis to run on XP?? |
| 08:53 | <Ms2ger> | You'd better send me chocolate... |
| 08:53 | <zcorpan> | :-) |
| 08:55 | <annevk> | Given your respective living locations, I'd expect chocolates to move in the other direction |
| 08:56 | <Ms2ger> | And they historically have |
| 08:58 | <annevk> | Must be a great many Anolis on Windows XP users for that to have changed |
| 09:23 | <zcorpan> | why doesn't https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-option-text just use the child Text nodes?? |
| 09:25 | <annevk> | zcorpan: topic? |
| 09:26 | <zcorpan> | annevk: i'm introducing the "child text content" concept for <title>.text, <script>, <style>, <time>, etc., and i found <option>.text doing this weird thing (which seems to be implemented in webkit/blink/gecko) |
| 09:35 | <Ms2ger> | zcorpan, is that the skipping script thing? |
| 09:42 | <annevk> | zcorpan: heh |
| 09:48 | <zcorpan> | Ms2ger: yeah. now found https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19549 https://github.com/whatwg/html/commit/b1adc35035eff05e6177d11cc5e564934a0cc977 |
| 09:49 | <Ms2ger> | On the plus side, there's a bunch of tests |
| 09:53 | <zcorpan> | yeah, i'm not going to try to change this one |
| 15:17 | <annevk> | Domenic: philipj_: MikeSmith: shall we adopt an "Editorial:" policy? That commits that are editorial start with that in their title |
| 15:17 | <annevk> | Makes it easier to filter the log |
| 15:17 | <annevk> | TC39 does this and it seems rather nice (not all is perfect there btw, they also use the repo for the spec for a ton of other things) |
| 15:24 | <annevk> | I'm glad there's at least one group maintaining HTML that does seek outside input since this is rather dreadful: https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/144 |
| 15:25 | <annevk> | I thought the whole pitch was that the W3C had "due process" |
| 15:36 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: OK by me but I wonder if we could abbreviate it, given that git wants to limit the first like of the description to 50 chars |
| 15:40 | <annevk> | MikeSmith: maybe, it seems better to be able to tell it's editorial quickly and if it's a big change you can elaborate in the body |
| 15:40 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 15:40 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, makes sense |
| 15:41 | <gsnedders> | Ed: foo? |
| 15:42 | <MikeSmith> | “✏️ Fixed typo in previous commit” |
| 15:43 | <MikeSmith> | anyway I now realize I really liked the way that the old commit-log viewer grayed out all the editorial commits |
| 16:28 | <wanderview> | JakeA: do you have an opinion about my Cache API questions here? https://github.com/w3c/webappsec-credential-management/issues/11 |
| 16:32 | <JakeA> | wanderview: thanks for the heads up, will give it a proper read |
| 16:32 | <wanderview> | thanks |
| 16:42 | <wanderview> | annevk: does the websocket integration with fetch allow any interception by service workers? #lazyirc |
| 16:44 | <annevk> | wanderview: it sets the skip-service-worker flag |
| 16:45 | <wanderview> | annevk: ok, thanks! |
| 17:07 | <annevk> | wanderview: if we ever did WebSocket it would have its own event I think |
| 17:07 | <annevk> | wanderview: WebSocket in service workers, that is |
| 17:08 | <wanderview> | cool |
| 17:08 | <annevk> | wanderview: but I don't think there's a real need for that given postMessage() protocols and such |
| 17:08 | <wanderview> | yea, WebSocket and service workers needs thought... just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed it in case I needed to write an "implement this" bug on gecko |
| 17:10 | <annevk> | The main reason this is done is so that WebSocket doesn't miss out on all the security hooks that Fetch has |
| 17:10 | <annevk> | As a bonus it also defines cookie handling better |
| 17:11 | <Domenic> | annevk: sure but I think just gutting it like I did https://github.com/whatwg/meta-theme-color would be better. Old commits are still there. |
| 17:12 | <Domenic> | annevk: "Editorial: " prefix seems reasonable to me, although the line can be pretty fuzzy sometimes. I guess we should add a tag that we tag PRs with so people remember. |
| 17:15 | <annevk> | Domenic: removed more content from it |
| 17:21 | <Domenic> | 👍 |
| 18:37 | <jsbell> | MikeSmith: while I'm not (yet) volunteering to edit FileAPI (still trying to find someone), can you anoint me ('inexorabletash') with appropriate powers to triage/label the open issues? |
| 18:46 | <MikeSmith> | jsbell: will do |
| 18:46 | <MikeSmith> | gimme a moment |
| 18:49 | <MikeSmith> | k |
| 18:49 | <MikeSmith> | jsbell: should be done now |
| 18:51 | <jsbell> | MikeSmith: thx. Hasn't appeared yet but perhaps it takes a bit. |
| 18:54 | <MikeSmith> | no should be immediate |
| 18:54 | MikeSmith | re-checks |
| 18:55 | <MikeSmith> | oops |
| 18:55 | <MikeSmith> | yeah my mistake |
| 18:55 | <MikeSmith> | fixed now |
| 18:55 | <MikeSmith> | jsbell: |
| 18:56 | <MikeSmith> | jsbell: ⬆ |
| 18:56 | <jsbell> | MikeSmith: confirmed - thx! |
| 18:57 | <MikeSmith> | super |
| 20:18 | <TabAtkins> | Domenic: Watching your WebDir talk, and I *cannot stop* hearing you saying "async Perl". |
| 22:39 | <rniwa> | annevk, smaug____: W3C tests for rootNode at https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2665 |
| 22:39 | <smaug____> | jgraham: you're going to merge those soon, right ;) |
| 22:40 | <smaug____> | I mean to mozilla-inbound |
| 22:42 | <jgraham> | smaug____: Well if someone reviews them and merges them to wpt, sure |
| 22:42 | <gsnedders> | http://news.mit.edu/2016/system-loads-web%20pages-34-percent-faster-0309 |
| 22:46 | <jgraham> | I read that whole article and I still have no idea what they did |
| 22:53 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: yeah. I hope more gets said at conference and published thereafter |
| 22:54 | <MikeSmith> | what conference? |
| 22:57 | <tantek> | the Web Hypertext Application Technologies conference? |
| 23:01 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: "he will present at this week’s USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation" |
| 23:01 | <MikeSmith> | ah ok |
| 23:02 | <MikeSmith> | well, big deal :) nobody’s ever heard of that |
| 23:03 | <MikeSmith> | seriously it looks promising if true |
| 23:03 | <MikeSmith> | tantek: the Web Hypertext Application Technologies conference is what we got here every day 😆 |
| 23:03 | <MikeSmith> | the longest-running conference on the Web runtime and security model and feature set |
| 23:03 | <tantek> | nah, we have more like a Web Hypertext Application Technologies webinar, watched through Lynx |
| 23:04 | <MikeSmith> | hahah |
| 23:04 | <MikeSmith> | fair enough |
| 23:04 | <tantek> | seriously would be amazing for there to be a Web Hypertext Application Technologies conference, especially if we could convince Hixie to keynote |