| 01:29 | <Domenic> | TabAtkins: I think you want control group. It is equal to document in all cases except dialogs being open. (And nobody implements that last part, even Chrome :() |
| 01:31 | <TabAtkins> | This was informal, so my slightly inaccurate terminology is more understandable. 😀 |
| 01:35 | <Domenic> | fair! |
| 10:41 | <annevk> | So I looked into https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/165 and it seems first of all that JSFiddle is getting in the way since once I take it out of JSFiddle I'm unable to reproduce browser differences |
| 10:46 | <annevk> | Actually, I sometimes can |
| 11:00 | <annevk> | And solved... |
| 11:10 | <zcorpan> | hmm i don't remember <ol reversed> getting implemented! per http://caniuse.com/#search=reversed it seems it was a while ago :-) |
| 11:11 | <annevk> | Was news to me too |
| 14:15 | <zcorpan> | has anyone replied to Dean, John on help⊙wo (20 March, unsubscribe)? |
| 14:26 | <zcorpan> | i haven't looked at this in detail yet but storage proposals are always interesting https://discourse.wicg.io/t/writable-file-api/1433 https://discourse.wicg.io/t/service-worker-content-indexing/1432 |
| 15:15 | <Ms2ger> | TabAtkins, now I'm curious about the Member-only FUD |
| 15:19 | <TabAtkins> | chaals trying to rewrite history about whatwg/w3c and the forking situation |
| 15:40 | <MikeSmith> | there is probably some clinical term for the underlying psychological disorder |
| 15:41 | <MikeSmith> | that is, when you know are the one who has committed a wrong, and you yourself are doing something that you know in your heart to be dishonest and wrong and unprincipled |
| 15:41 | <MikeSmith> | but instead of admitting that, you blame the people you are wronging |
| 15:42 | <MikeSmith> | you create a rationalization that justifies to try to justify your behavior |
| 15:42 | <MikeSmith> | *you create a rationalization to try to justify your behavior |
| 15:43 | <TabAtkins> | Yeah, that's cognitive dissonance, and rationalization. |
| 15:44 | <TabAtkins> | People don't like thinking of themselves as bad, so they construct narratives where their actions are justified. |
| 15:44 | <TabAtkins> | Everyone does it, it's not a psych disorder. |
| 15:44 | <TabAtkins> | Well, *constantly* doing things that are bad, that you then have to justify, that's something wrong. |
| 15:48 | <astearns> | psychological projection |
| 16:14 | <MikeSmith> | > People don't like thinking of themselves as bad, so they construct narratives where their actions are justified. |
| 16:14 | <MikeSmith> | bingo |
| 16:15 | <MikeSmith> | astearns: thanks that sounds like what I was trying to think of |
| 16:34 | <annevk> | Domenic: I'm going to add a note about that is attribute behavior |
| 16:35 | <annevk> | Domenic: seems like a thing folks will ask about |
| 16:35 | <Domenic> | annevk: ah OK. There is going to be one in HTML but having one in DOM too is probably good. |
| 16:35 | <Domenic> | annevk: I was about to push and squash so perfect timing. I'll leave it to you. I unprotected it for now. |
| 16:35 | <annevk> | Domenic: okay |
| 16:35 | <annevk> | Domenic: I'll just push it as a fixup and then still leave honors to you |
| 16:36 | <Domenic> | ok cool |
| 16:41 | <annevk> | Domenic: never mind, just land it as-is |
| 16:41 | <Domenic> | annevk: ok, if you say so! |
| 16:42 | <annevk> | Domenic: I can't really think of a better note than saying set an attribute has side effects and that is pretty obvious when you follow the link |
| 16:44 | <davygrvy> | Hi, I was wondering if I could ask about chromium's WebKit encodings module? Is there a way to put it in a strict mode so named encodings such as iso8859-1 don't become windows-1252, but stay strict to what they are claimed as? |
| 16:47 | <annevk> | davygrvy: the person who might know doesn't seem to be around, but I kinda doubt it |
| 16:48 | <davygrvy> | tnks |
| 16:48 | <annevk> | davygrvy: not sure why they'd ship encodings the web doesn't need |
| 16:48 | <davygrvy> | for test/validation purposes |
| 16:50 | <jsbell> | irc-logs ends in january :( |
| 16:50 | <Domenic> | annevk: how long does it usually take for a merge to make its way to dom.spec.whatwg.org? |
| 16:50 | <Domenic> | jsbell: second link works still |
| 16:51 | <jsbell> | Dominic: \o/ |
| 16:52 | <annevk> | Domenic: hmm should be immediate usually |
| 16:52 | <Domenic> | not seeing it, hope I didn't break anything... |
| 16:52 | <annevk> | Domenic: triggered a manual refresh, should be there now |
| 16:52 | <Domenic> | oh, there it goes |
| 16:53 | <jsbell> | davygrvy: I'm sorry you didn't like the answers you were given on chromium-discuss, but those are the answers you're going to get. |
| 16:53 | <annevk> | Domenic: sometimes there seems to be a little fluke, also with the tweets |
| 16:53 | <jsbell> | When specs and reality disagree, reality usually wins. |
| 16:53 | <davygrvy> | hi jsbell |
| 16:53 | <MikeSmith> | jsbell: also logged to http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23whatwg |
| 16:53 | <davygrvy> | or do it oneself |
| 16:54 | <davygrvy> | and not even bothering to to commit a changelog |
| 16:55 | <jsbell> | davygrvy: I can answer your questions on #blink |
| 16:56 | <jsbell> | (i.e. where to look to make a local build with the behavior you want) |
| 16:57 | <davygrvy> | I see most of it.. I thought I was forced to climb the mountain myself |
| 17:10 | <jsbell> | davygrvy: you're on your own for the changes, but time permitting I'm happy to answer questions over on #blink |
| 19:07 | <jhack> | is there a size limit to fetch’s body? I’m trying to send a base64 string within the body, but my fetch doesn’t seem to be working at all. Not sure whether it’s fetch or something else |
| 19:08 | <jhack> | pretty sure it’s something else, but wnated to double check |
| 19:10 | <wanderview> | jhack: shouldn't be a size limit... what browser? |
| 19:10 | <jhack> | doing this on react-native |
| 19:10 | <jhack> | chrome |
| 19:12 | <wanderview> | jhack: how are you initializing the body? |
| 19:12 | <jhack> | JSON.stringify ? |
| 19:13 | <wanderview> | jhack: I mean the Request or fetch() code you are using |
| 19:13 | <jhack> | it’s apart of the request obj |
| 19:14 | <jhack> | so fetch(..url.., { method, header, body }) |
| 19:14 | <jhack> | ill put it up on gist |
| 19:14 | <wanderview> | thanks |
| 19:15 | <jhack> | https://gist.github.com/jhack32/6186ae4612a631e518e505c58d74c56f |
| 19:16 | <wanderview> | jhack: and what happens when you run it? |
| 19:16 | <jhack> | it doesnt run |
| 19:16 | <jhack> | holdon let me update that gist actually |
| 19:16 | <wanderview> | does it reject with an error? |
| 19:17 | <jhack> | no reject |
| 19:17 | <jhack> | or anything |
| 19:17 | <jhack> | my console logs inside the fetch doesnt show either |
| 19:17 | <jhack> | which was weird |
| 19:17 | <jhack> | but if I take out the promise before it, itll run fine |
| 19:18 | <wanderview> | the promise before it? |
| 19:18 | <jhack> | I updated the gist |
| 19:18 | <jhack> | so, it reads the file, converts it into base64, then does the fetch call |
| 19:19 | <wanderview> | jhack: I think you need `return fetch(` here: https://gist.github.com/jhack32/6186ae4612a631e518e505c58d74c56f#file-gistfile1-txt-L5 |
| 19:19 | <wanderview> | you're not returning the promise from the fetch(), right? |
| 19:20 | <jhack> | no |
| 19:21 | <wanderview> | because if it throws then your inner .catch() just returns its error |
| 19:21 | <wanderview> | but its not returned to the outer .catch() |
| 19:22 | <jhack> | stil not gettin into fetch |
| 19:23 | <wanderview> | is your `this` correct? |
| 19:23 | <jhack> | should be, it consolelogs correctly |
| 19:23 | <jhack> | So it works on the emulator, but not on a device |
| 19:24 | <jhack> | which is what I’m trying to test it on right now |
| 19:24 | <wanderview> | hmm... you got me then, sorry |
| 19:24 | <jhack> | thanks tho |
| 19:40 | <wanderview> | jsbell: fyi, I started the upstream of our SW wpt tests today... hopefully it will get fully upstreamed on to github before our meeting monday https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/26e409f43a2e |
| 19:41 | <jsbell> | wanderview: awesome |
| 19:41 | <wanderview> | only took me a year to get around to it... :-\ |
| 21:11 | <jhack> | is there usually a reason why fetch gives the error TypeError: Network request failed |
| 21:11 | <jhack> | I’m reading it could be due to the server’s certificate? But i’m trying to run fetch to AWS |
| 21:21 | <wanderview> | jhack: is this a cross-origin fetch? |
| 21:21 | <jhack> | yes |
| 21:22 | <jhack> | how can i log xhr? |