| 00:07 | <MikeSmith> | to anybody bored and looking for some entertainment, I recommend looking at the source of https://www.chromium.org/Home/loading/oor-cors |
| 00:08 | <MikeSmith> | e.g., there’s not a single h1-h6 in the whole document |
| 00:08 | <MikeSmith> | instead, the headings are marked up like this: |
| 00:09 | <MikeSmith> | <div><b style="background-color:transparent;font-size:10pt"><font size="4"><br /></font></b></div><div><b style="background-color:transparent;font-size:10pt"><font size="4">Troubleshooting</font></b></div> |
| 00:09 | <MikeSmith> | who does that? |
| 00:10 | <MikeSmith> | I went in there just trying to find the anchor for that heading, and that found.. that |
| 00:11 | <MikeSmith> | also the entire document is one giant layout <table> |
| 00:12 | <MikeSmith> | <body xmlns="http://www.google.com/ns/jotspot"; id="body" class=" en "> |
| 00:14 | <MikeSmith> | I guess "jotspot" is some Google-internal tool or something? |
| 00:15 | <MikeSmith> | hmm, or "Google Sites" I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Sites |
| 00:20 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, Out of Renderer CORS is gonna make it significantly for web developers to troubleshoot CORS problems — and it was already very difficult for an normal web developer anyway |
| 00:20 | <MikeSmith> | *significantly more difficult for web developers |
| 00:21 | <MikeSmith> | specifically, this stuff: |
| 00:21 | <MikeSmith> | > CORS releated detailed network transaction can not be observed via DevTools' Network tab. You need to take a NetLog dump for further investigation. You can use netlogchk.html to analyze the obtained NetLog dump to see if there is CORS related error. NetLog Viewer is general purpose online tools to check details on the dump. |
| 00:27 | <MikeSmith> | doing a NetLog dump is a way to report possible bugs in the browser, not a way for web developers to try to troubleshoot their own application code |
| 03:49 | <annevk> | They can use Firefox 🦊 |
| 04:08 | <MikeSmith> | annevk: yeah I guess that what we need to starting recommending and documenting |
| 04:09 | <MikeSmith> | I will add something to MDN about it |
| 04:10 | <MikeSmith> | though I’d also the Chrome developer advocacy team would be doing a lot more outreach to developers about this |
| 04:11 | <MikeSmith> | *I’d also hope |
| 09:46 | <MikeSmith> | TabAtkins: next time I contribute a Bikeshed patch I’ll write tests.. https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/issues/1646#issuecomment-617288206 |
| 10:15 | <annevk> | I'm very glad Bikeshed has a bunch of tests now, it used to break down every other week |
| 10:20 | <MikeSmith> | in this case pretty much exactly the regression I was worried my change might cause, it did actually cause |
| 10:20 | <MikeSmith> | in hindsight I don’t understand now why I didn’t at least manually check to see if it had happened |
| 13:16 | <annevk> | Is GitHub doing a thing again? |
| 13:16 | <annevk> | GitHub Status always claims things are fine when I observe them not to be somehow |
| 13:32 | <annevk> | Ah it caught up |
| 16:09 | <annevk> | Domenic: so I learned something from hober today, there's a .github repository thing |
| 16:10 | <annevk> | Domenic: although given we also have many non-spec repos maybe it doesn't change our lives and spec-factory is still the way to go |
| 16:11 | <Domenic> | Hmm yeah |
| 16:13 | <annevk> | we could add CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md there but it's still not entirely clear to me what that file buys us beyond a checkmark somewhere as we already include it in the readmes |
| 16:21 | <Domenic> | It could make the readmes a bit less boilerplate-ey/more useful. And GitHub does include some UI indicators for it. |
| 16:21 | <Domenic> | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sNIbIMXQ/coc.png |
| 16:22 | <Domenic> | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/obQFyFlh/coc2.png |
| 16:25 | <annevk> | I'll file a whatwg/meta issue to keep track of this |
| 16:27 | <annevk> | https://github.com/whatwg/meta/issues/168 |
| 16:39 | <annevk> | oh my, db.json might become real real soon now |
| 16:57 | <annevk> | Domenic: if you could confirm the service worker bump I'll take care of the remainder for db.json, prolly tomorrow |
| 16:57 | <Domenic> | annevk: confirmed. I tried to earlier but GitHub was 500ing. |
| 16:58 | <annevk> | oh still? geez |
| 16:58 | <Domenic> | It's kind of optional; if you don't do it then people get normal dl styling |
| 17:00 | <annevk> | That might include most of the SG though :-p |
| 18:58 | <Domenic> | annevk: CORS error with logo at https://whatwg.org/workstreams, hrm |
| 18:58 | <Domenic> | Maybe Firefox bug |
| 18:58 | <Domenic> | Yeah, probably image cache + link favicon + crossorigin are not playing well together... |
| 18:59 | <Domenic> | Happening on https://whatwg.org/ as well, weird... |
| 19:57 | <annevk> | Domenic: yeah I added specific steps to repro to a Fx bug earlier today |
| 19:57 | <Domenic> | Oh awesome. Link or CC me? |
| 19:58 | <annevk> | Domenic: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1551557 and https://github.com/whatwg/whatwg.org/issues/253 |
| 20:00 | <Domenic> | Awesome, I used my 10th out of 1000 Bugzilla votes. |
| 20:03 | <annevk> | 😊👍🏻 |
| 21:03 | <shu> | lol BMO votes |
| 21:49 | <Domenic> | I'm looking at https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4711 for fun and I can't even figure out what the different sections of the diagram in https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/introduction.html#abstract are supposed to represent |
| 21:50 | <Domenic> | Like maybe it makes sense that the stuff on the bottom is on the bottom |
| 21:50 | <Domenic> | But like, why is JPEG and Geo and Fetch "next to" HTML? |
| 21:50 | <Domenic> | Why are SVG and MathML "on top of" HTML? |
| 21:51 | <Domenic> | And is "MQ" supposed to be "Media Queries"? |
| 22:00 | <MikeSmith> | Domenic: also, the actual photo part of that image has never really conveyed what it was intended for |
| 22:01 | <Domenic> | I mean, I'm OK with it being a bit opaque |
| 22:01 | <Domenic> | That whole section is kind of jokey |
| 22:01 | <MikeSmith> | well the “kitchen sink” metaphor is about a sink being overfilled with dishes |
| 22:01 | <MikeSmith> | but that sink is completely empty |
| 22:01 | <Domenic> | Hmm I never knew that |
| 22:02 | <Domenic> | https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/everything+but+the+kitchen+sink |
| 22:02 | <MikeSmith> | hmm ok |
| 22:02 | <MikeSmith> | I guess I got it wrong |
| 22:04 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, we could use a better image |
| 22:04 | <MikeSmith> | maybe worth an issue with a “good first issue” label |
| 22:05 | <MikeSmith> | a good visual artist could make something that’s a better ft |
| 22:05 | <MikeSmith> | *fit |
| 22:17 | <Domenic> | In internal chat someone suggested https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_e7c04f24-23f7-412d-9fbb-d205872c197e?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg |
