06:24
<Jesse>
it's become common to call things stage -1 prior to that point
proposal to use -0 for that purpose
07:31
<rkirsling>
-0 is kinda perfect, actually
07:32
<rkirsling>
still 0, but in a less positive way
09:48
<Rob Palmer>
If we're going to start differentiating between pre-stage 1 proposals I think it would be worth us documenting this somewhere, e.g. on how-we-work even if it's not part of the formal process. Until now I assumed Stage <1 were all in the same bucket.
10:00
<littledan>
If we're going to start differentiating between pre-stage 1 proposals I think it would be worth us documenting this somewhere, e.g. on how-we-work even if it's not part of the formal process. Until now I assumed Stage By this do you mean, it is in the same bucket regardless of whether a delegate is involved?
13:30
<Rob Palmer>
Whatever meaning or difference we assign to the pre-stage 1 proposals (delegate involvement, agenda referenced, presented-but-not-advanced) to determine "you can call it stage 0 vs -1" should be documented - even if it's just a community convention. Or we just say "they are all the same and outside our scope".
13:38
<rkirsling>
I've described Stage 0 in presentations before as "an idea you had in the shower and wrote up in Markdown", i.e. "any idea which someone has put into a presentable state", wherein the thing keeping it from Stage 1 could very well be finding a champion
13:39
<rkirsling>
would be unfortunate to have that not be valid
13:42
<rkirsling>
(I think -0 is a fun non-serious turn of phrase but -1 is just enraging)
14:23
<ljharb>
I've described Stage 0 in presentations before as "an idea you had in the shower and wrote up in Markdown", i.e. "any idea which someone has put into a presentable state", wherein the thing keeping it from Stage 1 could very well be finding a champion
stage 1 includes consensus the committee wants to explore the problem.
14:27
<rkirsling>
definition of Stage 1 goes without saying
16:31
<ljharb>
oh right, i misread your comment
16:32
<ljharb>
so yeah, technically your stage 0 description is right, but the thing that would let it be in the proposals table is having a champion and being on an agenda, past or future