TC39 Delegates on 2024-11-07

11:40	<Rob Palmer>	Delegates! Please fill in the June 2025 Plenary Scheduling Survey 🚀🚀 Survey Link There are different date possibilities. We need to know your intentions in order to pick the best time. Thanks to the 10 people who have already given replies 🙏
19:05	<sffc>	On the June Plenary survey, many delegates are posting comments such as "prefer week 22 over 24" and "family vacation on week 22". Some question: Are you using this language more because this specific situation warrants it (we are comparing and contrasting two choices of weeks), or more because you generally refer to dates in this way? How did you compute the week numbers? Do you ever use language such as "Wednesday, Week 22 of 2025" as a drop-in replacement for "May 28, 2025"? I am asking this because I am working on a proposal related to week calendars in CLDR, which may influence Intl and MessageFormat. I rarely encounter week numbering in en-US, instead saying things like "first full week of June", so I am asking this as a research question. ryzokuken Rob Palmer Luca Casonato nicolo-ribaudo
19:08	<shu>	i don't think i hear "week N" to refer to absolute dates in a year in american english
19:09	<shu>	i think i only hear it in "weeks elapsed from some other event" contexts, like "week 5 of the lockdown"
19:10	<shu>	(i mean first of all, who would know when week 22 is? are there cultures that just know this in the way we know when May is?)
19:14	<Chris de Almeida>	presumably is ISO 8601 week date, but I am not one of the respondents
19:16	<nicolo-ribaudo>	On the June Plenary survey, many delegates are posting comments such as "prefer week 22 over 24" and "family vacation on week 22". Some question: Are you using this language more because this specific situation warrants it (we are comparing and contrasting two choices of weeks), or more because you generally refer to dates in this way? How did you compute the week numbers? Do you ever use language such as "Wednesday, Week 22 of 2025" as a drop-in replacement for "May 28, 2025"? I am asking this because I am working on a proposal related to week calendars in CLDR, which may influence Intl and MessageFormat. I rarely encounter week numbering in en-US, instead saying things like "first full week of June", so I am asking this as a research question. ryzokuken Rob Palmer Luca Casonato nicolo-ribaudo We use it a lot internally at Igalia (e.g. "team meetings are on w47", or "next assembly is on Thursday week 50") and I guess it happened in that survey that Ujjwal wrote it and others started copying
19:16	<nicolo-ribaudo>	I don't know how we define week 1, but it matches Google Calendar's definition
19:53	<Luca Casonato>	It is very common in German - Kalenderwoche 22, or more commonly KW22
20:04	<shu>	i expect nothing less of germans
20:33	<Michael Ficarra>	@sffc even in en_US, certain industries use calendar week
20:33	<Michael Ficarra>	like timeshares
20:34	<Michael Ficarra>	and I think certain financial industries, but not sure
20:39	<Marja Hölttä (not here, use marja@google.com)>	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date under section "first week" seems to tell how week numbers are determined. (and yea it's very common to use week numbers in various european countries.) to answer the other above questions 1) it's used when referring to whole weeks, like, if you're on vacation the whole week you might say you're on vacation on week 14. 3) no. only when you already brought the week number into the context, you might say "i'm on vacation on week 14 and on wednesday [that week] i'll go swimming", but you'd never say "week 14 wednesday" or something like that.
22:21	<sffc>	OK so one of my main research questions (and I realize that this is not a representative sample) is whether anyone uses something other than the ISO numbering in practice. Most people I know who use week numbers are European, and presumably use the ISO numbers, but Wikipedia and CLDR both document other numbering schemes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#Other_week_numbering_systems
22:23	<sffc>	Apparently in en-US I'm supposed to count weeks based on the first week that contains a Saturday as opposed to the first week that contains a Thursday as in ISO, but I rarely count weeks, so I don't really care which system I use, and since most people I know who count weeks do it in ISO, I most often also use ISO. But again, anecdotal evidence.
23:07	<TabAtkins>	(American) While I don't count weeks either, when I've interacted with week-counting (talking with Europeans), it's always been ISO.