| 08:35 | <Rob Palmer> | The next TC39 plenary is 28th-31st July. Reminder: The agenda advancement deadline is July 18th 10:00 PDT which is just over two days away. Please try to share all materials by this time so folk can carry out their pre-plenary reviews. |
| 17:04 | <Michael Ficarra> | does anyone mind if I replace GitHub usernames with real names on the agenda? |
| 17:05 | <Michael Ficarra> | it's hard enough remembering everyone's name, affiliation, and TLA, I don't want to also have to remember their GitHub usernames |
| 17:14 | <Chris de Almeida> | fine to do it for Ruben, but please reach out to @styfle before changing theirs -- they don't have their name listed publicly, and they may not want to use their real name on the agenda |
| 17:14 | <Chris de Almeida> | cc styfle ☝️ |
| 17:18 | <styfle> | I prefer @styfle since thats going to be the easiest way to identify me on github, matrix, x, etc |
| 17:21 | <Chris de Almeida> | if it's not for privacy reasons, it's preferable and customary to use your real name in these contexts. no pressure though 🙂 |
| 17:21 | <styfle> | It is for privacy |
| 17:21 | <Chris de Almeida> | got it |
| 17:22 | <Michael Ficarra> | FYI, you're going to be recorded in the notes, associated with a TLA, and indexed in https://github.com/tc39/notes/blob/main/delegates.txt |
| 17:23 | <nicolo-ribaudo> | Come on all, a pseudonym is perfectly fine if it's the only way we refer to somebody. I never showed anybody a document proving that Nicolò is my real name. There are multiple reasons to not use the actual name people have in their documents. It only gets problematic when we refer to somebody as X in half places and Y in the other half |
| 17:23 | <Michael Ficarra> | @nicolo-ribaudo that's exactly the thing I'm worried about though |
| 17:24 | <Michael Ficarra> | because in the notes and (presumably) in-person we're going to refer to them as their real name, but we have the agenda listing their GitHub name |
| 17:25 | <Chris de Almeida> | we have precedent for both pseudonyms and mononyms. Ecma needs to know their identity, but we technically do not. ultimately this is up to the individual to decide, not us |
| 17:25 | <Michael Ficarra> | if it was separate for privacy reasons, the best thing would've been to list only the real name on the agenda (and notes, etc), and the public wouldn't be able to associate it with the pseudonym |
| 17:29 | <Michael Ficarra> | we have no precedent for using pseudonyms in the notes |
| 17:29 | <ptomato> | we certainly do in TG2 |
| 17:30 | <Chris de Almeida> | we do actually. I will DM |
| 18:00 | <Michael Ficarra> | I want to be clear about what I'm asking: for each delegate, we're going to list some name in delegates.txt alongside a TLA, and I would like to refer to the delegate by that name or TLA in other formal contexts, such as the agenda and during plenary. I don't care whether it's their legal name or common name or a pseudonym made just for this purpose, just that it's used consistently. I think the issue here was that we don't yet have an entry in delegates.txt for @styfle and I had assumed that they were going to use the name submitted in the new delegate form. Apologies for jumping the gun here. We can continue the conversation, if needed, once we figure out what's going in delegates.txt. |
| 18:01 | <styfle> | I would like to use @styfle for public documents |
| 18:12 | <Michael Ficarra> | would you make a PR to delegates.txt? |
| 18:13 | <Michael Ficarra> | I hope the ordering enforcement handles @ properly 😰 |