| 10:36 | <jasew> | that worked, thanks, it spins for ages though |
| 10:37 | <ryzokuken> | weirdly it worked really quickly for me |
| 10:37 | <ryzokuken> | I knew I was biased but my client too? š |
| 10:37 | <littledan> | hola |
| 10:45 | <ryzokuken> | š |
| 12:25 | <snek> | is element still the best matrix client? cuz it kind of sucks lol |
| 12:36 | <ryzokuken> | Well, it's the "client". |
| 12:36 | <ryzokuken> | What do you dislike about it? |
| 12:36 | <ryzokuken> | I like Ditto on phone but it's React Native so YMMV. |
| 12:54 | <jasew> | It took me ages to open up the community, I didnāt realise I needed to right click. There are some things about element that are ānon-obviousā so thereās definitely work needed to be done on their UX |
| 12:57 | <jasew> | The constant verification checks and pop-ups are annoying too. I understand itās for security but it just thwarts user experience. |
| 12:58 | <ryzokuken> | don't they allow you to say "never"? |
| 12:59 | <jasew> | Nope |
| 13:33 | <snek> | if we make a community we can put little tc39 flairs on our profiles |
| 13:35 | <ryzokuken> | snek: we did make one |
| 13:35 | <ryzokuken> | but the downside of a community is that the current design only allows one admin |
| 13:36 | <ryzokuken> | so that one was kinda botched |
| 13:36 | <snek> | ah |
| 13:36 | <snek> | classic matrix |
| 13:36 | <ryzokuken> | but if you really want, you can still join +tc39:matrix.org |
| 13:36 | <ryzokuken> | does this work? |
| 13:36 | <snek> | yeah |
| 13:37 | <ryzokuken> | idk if there's a flair next to my name |
| 13:37 | <ryzokuken> | I see none |
| 13:37 | <snek> | i don't either lol |
| 13:38 | <jasew> | I think im going to have to make a new community |
| 13:38 | <jasew> | Lets not send people to that one because we don't know who owns it and none of us seem to have any control over it |
| 13:38 | <ryzokuken> | I was the original admin š |
| 13:38 | <ryzokuken> | but I left and sth got botched |
| 13:39 | <jasew> | Yeah, thats rubbish! |
| 13:39 | <jasew> | You would think it would pass admin to someone else |
| 13:39 | <snek> | is the SRV record the authoritative part of deciding that i am snek:matrix.snek.dev |
| 13:39 | <ryzokuken> | it said somewhere that it would autodelete when I left |
| 13:39 | <ryzokuken> | so I tried |
| 13:39 | <ryzokuken> | actually, we could ALL try to leave |
| 13:39 | <ryzokuken> | maybe that would work? |
| 13:39 | <jasew> | ryzokuken: can you rejoin and get admin back? |
| 13:40 | <ryzokuken> | I can try |
| 13:40 | <jasew> | I've left |
| 13:42 | <ryzokuken> | I didn't actually |
| 13:42 | <ryzokuken> | but yeah, if it doesn't delete when we all leave we can always try the synapse admin API |
| 13:42 | <ryzokuken> | Element hasn't properly implemented communities yet I'm afraid |
| 13:43 | <snek> | what properly implements communities |
| 13:43 | <ryzokuken_> | nothing, really. They're doing a v2 I think. |
| 13:43 | <snek> | matrix moment |
| 13:43 | <ryzokuken_> | but the server does have more functionality than is exposed from the element client |
| 13:44 | <ryzokuken_> | so theoretically, a better client COULD actually support deleting communities. |
| 13:44 | <snek> | wait is _matrix._tcp deprecated |
| 13:45 | <ryzokuken_> | I have no idea what that is, sorry |
| 13:49 | <Jack Works> | nice to see we have a matrix room |
| 13:50 | <smorimoto> | same |
| 13:56 | <Jack Works> | https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/pull/42437 I'm working on impl do expr proposal V2 for fun |
| 13:57 | <Jack Works> | but I have no idea how to down compile it to es2021 š¤ |
| 14:05 | <jasew> | I've created +tc39-official:matrix.org for now |
| 14:15 | <littledan> | How was your onboarding experience for Matrix, Jack Works smorimoto ? |
| 14:22 | <Jack Works> | How was your onboarding experience for Matrix, Jack Works smorimoto ? |
| 14:23 | <jasew> | Oh thats useful, I didn't know about that. Maybe i could add it to the community? ^ |
| 14:25 | <jasew> | Actually doesn't look like i can add it |
| 14:27 | <Jack Works> | you need to contact with NickServ bot first to set your nickname and password |
| 14:27 | <Jack Works> | let me find a tutorial for this |
| 14:28 | <Jack Works> | https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode |
| 14:28 | <Jack Works> | maybe this, in my memory on-boarding this matrix-freenode bridge is a bit pain and not easy to setup (it doesn't working for unknown reason) but once you have done the setup it works well |
| 14:40 | <smorimoto> | How was your onboarding experience for Matrix, Jack Works smorimoto ? |
| 14:43 | <smorimoto> | I was late for conversation because I was having dinner... |
| 14:43 | <smorimoto> | maybe this, in my memory on-boarding this matrix-freenode bridge is a bit pain and not easy to setup (it doesn't working for unknown reason) but once you have done the setup it works well |
| 14:50 | <s-urabe> | It is very difficult and time consuming... |
| 14:57 | <smorimoto> | Well, bridging is often not that easy, but it probably won't be a problem at all for TC39's use cases. |
| 15:22 | <littledan> | maybe we should post information about the IRC onboarding to the Reflector? |
| 15:23 | <littledan> | generally, the point of the transition was to avoid forcing people to use IRC. I'm curious, why did you decide to stick with IRC instead of using a Matrix client? |
| 15:37 | <snek> | alright finally got this set up |
| 15:37 | <ryzokuken> | snek: new client? |
| 15:38 | <snek> | reset my server from scratch so it shows up as snek.dev instead of matrix.snek.dev |
| 15:38 | <littledan> | snek: how's federation? |
| 15:39 | <snek> | seems to work |
| 15:39 | <snek> | i'm surprised with how incredibly slow matrix's server is |
| 15:39 | <ryzokuken> | matrix.org is super slow |
| 15:39 | <ryzokuken> | for now atleast |
| 15:39 | <snek> | oh i mean, synapse |
| 15:39 | <ryzokuken> | it was better yesterday, idk what happened |
| 15:40 | <littledan> | yeah... sorry everyone |
| 15:40 | <ryzokuken> | oh synapse in general? |
| 15:40 | <ryzokuken> | did you try dendrite? |
| 15:40 | <snek> | synapse in general is INCREDIBLY slow |
| 15:40 | <snek> | they should rewrite it in not-python |
| 15:40 | <ryzokuken> | I don't think it's THAT slow tbh, it works file on both igalia.com and mozilla.org |
| 15:40 | <ryzokuken> | plus dendrite is in Go and pretty fast too |
| 15:41 | <snek> | oh cool, maybe i'll migrate to that |
| 15:41 | <ryzokuken> | it's not 100% done wrt feature parity but it's getting better everyday! It's supposed to replace synapse soon enough |
| 15:41 | <littledan> | did we choose the wrong homeserver? |
| 15:42 | <littledan> | should we base this on mozilla.org or igalia.com? |
| 15:42 | <snek> | no this is fine |
| 15:42 | <ryzokuken> | I think this is a decent middle-ground. |
| 15:42 | <ryzokuken> | the sysadmins do try to make it fast enough, it's just really hard to maintain a synapse instance this big. |
| 15:43 | <ryzokuken> | snek: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite |
| 15:43 | <ryzokuken> | https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/08/dendrite-is-entering-beta beta since Oct' 20 |
| 15:43 | <littledan> | I feel like using Matrix is betting on the right thing. It just keeps getting better, and there's no open source/open protocol competitor in the space |
| 15:43 | <snek> | lol it doesn't support push notifs or presence |
| 15:44 | <littledan> | I think we turned off presence in Igalia a long time ago since it was a big performance issue |
| 15:45 | <ryzokuken> | lol it doesn't support push notifs or presence |
| 15:45 | <ryzokuken> | it does give me push notifications on linux |
| 15:45 | <snek> | maybe they need to update the readme |
| 18:40 | <jasew> | I just get "Message could not be sent to #tc39" |
| 18:48 | <littledan> | I just get "Message could not be sent to #tc39" |
| 18:48 | <jasew> | when sending to the #tc39 channel |
| 18:48 | <jasew> | the bridged channel |
| 18:49 | <littledan> | yeah I sort of expect IRC bridges to not really work |
| 19:14 | <snek> | my client or server just will not connect to large rooms |