| 08:05 | <ryzokuken> | PSA: Do not use #freenode_#tc39:matrix.org . It is not logged, and does not reliably propagate messages to anywhere in particular |
| 08:08 | <ryzokuken> | I read the notes and folks expressed preference for switching over completely over bridging. |
| 08:09 | <ryzokuken> | I agree with the idea, but would people be against setting up a temporary bridge for the course of this meeting? |
| 08:12 | <ryzokuken> | (since the majority of discussion would happen on IRC this time still and it might help someone stay connected via Matrix) |
| 08:19 | <littledan> | Bridging just doesn't seem to work. I think we have to decide when we want to transition instead |
| 08:19 | <ryzokuken> | +1 to transitioning completely once we're ready. |
| 08:20 | <ryzokuken> | But I don't think bridging is as imperfect as you might think, it does relay messages across and could work for just these two days. |
| 08:20 | <littledan> | we already knew, going into this process, that bridges to and from IRC are unreliable in general. Now, we're seeing that unreliability in practice already. |
| 08:22 | <ryzokuken> | Wait, did we set up a bridge at some point? I might be missing something, but which bridge's unreliability is being discussed here? |
| 08:22 | <littledan> | some people expected #freenode_#tc39:matrix.org to send messages to TC39's main IRC channel. However, it seems to propagate some people's messages and not others |
| 08:22 | <littledan> | so, if you want to communicate with people, using that channel is probably a bad idea |
| 08:23 | <ryzokuken> | oh, I wasn't on that channel! Let me look around. Maybe there's something with the configuration? |
| 08:24 | <littledan> | all the freenode channels just automatically exist, if I understand correctly |
| 08:24 | <littledan> | right, I wasn't on it either, but this is the whole logging discussion that ljharb and I were having on #tc39 IRC |
| 08:24 | <ryzokuken> | all the freenode channels just automatically exist, if I understand correctly |
| 08:24 | <jasew> | Yeah that channel/bridge did not work for me at all |
| 08:25 | <ryzokuken> | I don't really get appservice's bridged channels |
| 08:25 | <ryzokuken> | so I get where you're coming from now. |
| 08:25 | <ryzokuken> | when I was talking of bridging, I was talking about setting up an integration/bot that relays messages between this channel and the IRC channel |
| 08:26 | <ryzokuken> | without the need for that weird autogenerated channel |
| 08:26 | <ryzokuken> | that has worked much smoother in my experience too |
| 08:26 | <ryzokuken> | but yeah, if you want to test it out, I could temporarily set it up. |
| 08:26 | <littledan> | right, it's like: if someone actually puts in the technical work, maybe we could have a bridge, but until then, we have to tell people explicitly not to use this broken thing |
| 08:27 | <littledan> | Rob fell into this trap, and others probably will as well, as they try Matrix |
| 08:27 | <ryzokuken> | no no, if you're using Element, you can use the pane on the right-hand side to set up the bridge. |
| 08:27 | <ryzokuken> | there are pre-built bridges for IRC and Slack |
| 08:27 | <littledan> | well, I dunno, if you know how to do this, then great |
| 08:28 | <ryzokuken> | I could set it up temporarily for a little while today maybe? |
| 08:28 | <littledan> | sure |
| 08:28 | <ryzokuken> | and then we can decide if we want to keep it off? |
| 08:28 | <littledan> | sgtm |
| 08:28 | <ryzokuken> | could you give me admin role or use the right-side pane to set it up? |
| 08:29 | <jasew> | 👍 |
| 08:35 | <littledan> | (should all delegates be admins here? what's the policy?) |
| 08:38 | <ryzokuken> | (I don't know if we should give admin permissions to all delegates, we can give a custom role without moderation powers though) |
| 08:38 | <ryzokuken> | Ideally only the chairs should have admin and maybe some folks could have moderator permissions. |
| 08:38 | <jasew> | Last discussion on that was here https://github.com/tc39/inclusion-group/issues/16#issue-797039045 |