| 08:20 | <jgraham> | sideshowbarker: I changed "who can read history" to "Anyone", but I'm not sure that's correct |
| 08:20 | <jgraham> | Or, rather, not sure it's sufficient |
| 08:20 | <jgraham> | Ah, but https://view.matrix.org/room/%21AGetWbsMpFPdSgUrbs:matrix.org/ seems to work now |
| 08:24 | <sideshowbarker> | jgraham: yup β thanks much |
| 08:49 | <annevk> | jgraham: can I get admin to fixup the logo? |
| 08:52 | <jgraham> | Ah yeah, I eventually worked out that one doesn't do that from "settings" |
| 09:01 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | annevk: https://gist.github.com/andreubotella/bb62bfe0489baa5fe9a1155e0b37f92d |
| 09:01 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | I'm not sure if this is any good |
| 09:02 | <annevk> | Andreu Botella (he/they): cool, "This is how" seems to end abruptly |
| 09:02 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | yeah, I just noticed that π |
| 09:04 | <annevk> | "Firefox normalizes to CRLF as to the other browsers." as do* |
| 09:05 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | fixed |
| 09:06 | <annevk> | Andreu Botella (he/they): so tl;dr: this looks amazing and it'd be great to publish this on the blog; I can get you an account |
| 09:07 | <annevk> | (but I'll also continue reading it now) |
| 09:07 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | sure, that'd be great |
| 09:09 | <sideshowbarker> | jgraham: my PR uses https://app.element.io/#/room/#whatwg:matrix.org as the link for this channel. Is there any reason to instead prefer https://app.element.io/#/room/!AGetWbsMpFPdSgUrbs:matrix.org ? |
| 09:10 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | I believe the latter is the internal room ID, which was meant to stay hidden to the user but isn't really in actual implementations |
| 09:10 | <sideshowbarker> | OK |
| 09:11 | <sideshowbarker> | Andreu Botella (he/they): I notice though that https://view.matrix.org/ uses those IDs for the log links |
| 09:11 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | yeah, I mentioned yesterday that view.matrix.org seems to be a thin wrapper over the client-server API, which I believe uses internal IDs |
| 09:12 | <sideshowbarker> | I see |
| 09:14 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | "the current spec mandates that no normalization happens" β that should use the subjunctive |
| 09:28 | <sideshowbarker> | meta nit: Do we want to keep the name of this room at whatwg (lowercase)? or should we change it to WHATWG (uppercase)? |
| 09:30 | <sideshowbarker> | I donβt have a strong opinion about it either way, but if weβre gonna change it, it seems slightly better to change it now rather than later (for one thing, it affects how to we refer to it in https://whatwg.org/chat) |
| 09:31 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | I vote for WHATWG |
| 09:36 | <annevk> | The address is still lowercase though. It seems you can also get uppercase addresses, but that seems a bit weird? |
| 09:38 | <jgraham> | It definitely looks more shouty in uppercase |
| 09:41 | <annevk> | On Twitter we actually have the URL part in uppercase, but I'm not a big fan of uppercase letters in URLs personally |
| 09:51 | <annevk> | So while creating the new blog account I also found out we had 24 comments on our latest post that had to be approved. Got excited for a moment, but they were all spam. |
| 10:31 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | I'm running into Wordpress bugs about escaping character references π© |
| 10:49 | <annevk> | Oh that is annoying. I thought we had explicitly disabled any WordPress meddling for that reason |
| 10:55 | <sideshowbarker> | I guess it depends on what other rooms you have in your list. In my Favorites list, it looks like that β¬οΈ |
| 10:56 | <sideshowbarker> | but I guess some other Mozilla channels, use lowercase β e.g., developers |
| 13:44 | <jgraham> | Is it expected that trying to force-reload whatwg.org produces a network error at the moment? |
| 13:44 | <jgraham> | From testing on irc: 13:43 < plh> html.spec.whatwg.org refused to connect. :( |
| 13:45 | <jgraham> | sideshowbarker: ^ |
| 13:46 | <sideshowbarker> | yeah, my fault |
| 13:46 | <sideshowbarker> | fixing it now |
| 14:44 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | ok, I have no clue what the wordpress editor is doing with character entities |
| 14:45 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | &#x0D; outputs 
 in the HTML, but 8x0D; does the right thing |
| 14:45 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | anyway, this appears to work |
| 14:46 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | annevk: Should I publish it now? |
| 14:49 | <annevk> | Andreu Botella (he/they): yeah, sounds good, if you got it to work |
| 14:49 | <annevk> | I didn't know there was a new editor interface, looks kinda awful |
| 14:49 | <annevk> | Any preference for the tweet? |
| 14:51 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | Let me come up with a shorter excerpt |
| 14:54 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | In form submissions, form values containing newlines get normalized to CRLF. But that newline normalization runs deeper than might be thought. Here is a deep dive on the recent spec changes on that area. |
| 14:54 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | Or something like that, even that's probably too long |
| 14:59 | <annevk> | During form submission, newlines get normalized to CRLF. That newline normalization is more complex than you might think. Here is a deep dive on the recent @htmlstandard changes in that area: |
| 14:59 | <annevk> | Either way, it should fit, Twitter tells me |
| 15:03 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | I'm now off the post, at least until I find some misspelling or something, so feel free to aprove it |
| 15:06 | <annevk> | Andreu Botella (he/they): it's up at https://blog.whatwg.org/newline-normalizations-in-form-submission now, if it looks good I'll tweet (sorry, in a meeting) |
| 15:06 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | ok |
| 15:08 | <annevk> | \o/ very nice work |
| 15:09 | <aja> | intended to replace freenode channel? |
| 15:09 | <annevk> | aja: yeah, see https://github.com/whatwg/meta/issues/210 for context |
| 15:09 | <aja> | cool |
| 15:18 | <Andreu Botella (he/they)> | Now that I'm done with all of this, I think I have like over 30 tabs to close π |
| 15:19 | <jgraham> | You can close tabsβ½ This changes everything ;) |
| 19:02 | hober | waves |
| 20:20 | <jgraham> | hober: Hi! |
| 20:30 | <sideshowbarker> | Howdy hober |
| 20:39 | <aja> | π |
| 20:40 | <sideshowbarker> | Greetings aja |
| 20:44 | <aja> | π |
| 20:46 | <aja> | Can't believe it took me an hour to move channels. Didn't count on libera verification email ending up in Promotions folder. |