| 01:10 | <bakkot> | annevk: on https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/5407, it might be worth posting an update pointing to https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1065085#c72, so that future readers know the status? (the issue is locked, understandably, so I can't do it myself) |
| 04:45 | <Domenic> | bakkot: I don't think so; there's still cross-browser agreement to remove the feature, so the spec reflects that. |
| 04:46 | <Domenic> | Individual shipping decisions are up to browsers to communicate as they wish. |
| 05:28 | <bakkot> | as someone coming across that thread, I would find it useful to know that Chrome's intent is to remove the feature not before January 2022, rather than to remove it as soon as resources permit |
| 05:29 | <bakkot> | not suggesting a change to the spec, just an informative post in the thread |
| 06:13 | <annevk> | bakkot: I unlocked it, feel free to add a comment |
| 07:29 | <sideshowbarker> | By the way, while I support that change, I can also say it did break quite a few embedded interactive examples at MDN |
| 07:31 | <sideshowbarker> | But those are entirely or almost entirely cases of examples that were using alert(), which is just bad anyway. So we're gonna fix those regardless. |
| 07:31 | <sideshowbarker> | https://github.com/mdn/content/issues/7566 |
| 08:45 | <sideshowbarker> | PSA for people using the web-based Element client: To switch among rooms, if you want to use your keyboard rather than the mouse, first do Ctrl-K or ⌘-K to focus the search box, and then use the arrow keys to navigate through your rooms list |
| 08:46 | <sideshowbarker> | (tab doesn’t work as expected, but it’s a tree view) |
| 08:47 | <jgraham> | That would have been vry helpful to know yesterday when the android emulator decided to prevent mouse interactions with part of my screen, even when it wasn't focused :) |
| 08:50 | <sideshowbarker> | haha |
| 08:50 | <annevk> | You can also do Option + Down/Up |
| 08:50 | <annevk> | (on macOS anyway) |
| 08:51 | <sideshowbarker> | annevk: oh wow, cool — didn’t know. I like that even better |
| 08:53 | <jgraham> | Appears to be alt+arrows here |
| 08:53 | <jgraham> | Not on macOS |
| 08:55 | <annevk> | What even is alt? |
| 08:59 | <sideshowbarker> | alt is an actual key on Linux keyboards, right? |
| 09:00 | <jgraham> | Honestly can't tell if people are trolling or if you've all been using macOS too long :p |
| 09:02 | <annevk> | Don't worry, I remember Ctrl+Alt+Del, also Alt+F4; not sure about Linux shortcuts anymore though, even though I used that more recently than Windows |
| 09:02 | <sideshowbarker> | anyway, as long as were at this this: Option (or Alt) + Shift + Down/up cycles you through just the list of your rooms with unread messages — like Option (or Alt) + a, in irrssi |
| 10:04 | <sideshowbarker> | https://github.com/WebKit/explainers/issues/55 |
| 10:05 | <sideshowbarker> | WebKit implemented a model element? |
| 10:05 | <sideshowbarker> | Is there an associated proposal in the HTML spec issue tracker? |
| 10:06 | <sideshowbarker> | https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/279451/webkit/ |
| 11:28 | <annevk> | Somehow Safari TP keeps disappearing from my computer, but last I checked HTMLModelElement was not exposed |
| 11:32 | <annevk> | Yeah, document.querySelector("model") with <model> somewhere in the document yields HTMLUnknownElement |
| 11:36 | <annevk> | 👋 Surma |
| 12:10 | <sideshowbarker> | Ah ok |
| 12:34 | <annevk> | Domenic: so thinking more about obj is/implements Y; I imagine we have that elsewhere too with Blob/File, but I guess there's not a lot of it as outside DOM there's not a lot of hierarchy in classes (I think) |
| 18:00 | <sideshowbarker> | https://github.com/mdn/content/issues/7624 is it appropriate for window.orientation to be flagged in MDN as deprecated? If so, given that the compat spec doesn’t say it’s deprecated or discouraged, is there some other authoritative source which does? |
| 18:03 | <sideshowbarker> | or is it the case that pretty much everything in the Compat spec should be considered discouraged/deprecated? |
| 19:35 | <Domenic> | Weird case. Is there some better replacement? |
| 21:24 | <Sam Sneddon [:gsnedders]> | or is it the case that pretty much everything in the Compat spec should be considered discouraged/deprecated? |
| 21:24 | <miketayl_r> | maybe screen orientation API? |
| 21:27 | <miketayl_r> | sideshowbarker: i guess we could include some text for given entries in compat like, prefer this standard thing instead (not sure how useful that is, but it wouldn't be hard) |