| 02:29 | <Stephanie Maximini> | Yes. |
| 15:16 | <annevk> | nolanlawson: right, but that means we shouldn't offer them tools that break that encapsulation because they'll realize (maybe later) that destroys the benefits |
| 15:16 | <annevk> | nolanlawson: ergonomics are important, but the design has to be correct first |