05:12
<muan>

Hi. In investigating implementation details for SFNSP I noticed an interop issue.

  1. In only Firefox, with existing selection, after clicking on a fragment link, selection is cleared. In Safari and Chrome the selection stays and can be keyboard interacted with.
  2. In Firefox and Safari, when focus changes, selection is cleared. In Chrome the selection stays.

Does this warrant a WPT or perhaps a clarifying issue in HTML on what should/shouldn't happen?

05:14
<Domenic>
I think it is known that there is a connection between focus and selection in some browsers but not others, and this is an interop issue but also one that browsers feel is kind of a quality differentiator.
05:15
<Domenic>
https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/7657
05:15
<Domenic>
https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/7759
05:16
<Domenic>
If Chrome is the odd one out, maybe it's worth asking the relevant people if they want to change. But my impression was that Chrome thought it was better for users to have these concepts be separate, and the spec allows them to be separate.
05:17
<Domenic>
This is a similar interop issue to how, e.g., Safari chooses to make lots of controls not-focusable by default, and the spec allows that.
05:21
<muan>
I see. Thanks.
07:13
<annevk>
Is there a way to style an element differently based on the scroll position in CSS? E.g., once the end user has scrolled down for x pixels, style the element differently?
09:55
<martin>
Is there a way to style an element differently based on the scroll position in CSS? E.g., once the end user has scrolled down for x pixels, style the element differently?
I think that requires some JavaScript. (rightfully so ...)
09:57
<martin>
Is there a name for the HTML elements that were created by the parser because they didn't exist? (only happens for html, head, body, p, colgroup, tbody and tr)
10:14
<martin>
Is there a name for the HTML elements that were created by the parser because they didn't exist? (only happens for html, head, body, p, colgroup, tbody and tr)
To answer my own question: I guess "implied elements"
12:45
<muan>
does summary count
12:59
<sideshowbarker>
does summary count
I guess not, if the criterion is “created by the parser” — because default summary isn’t created by the parser
13:01
<sideshowbarker>
Is there a name for the HTML elements that were created by the parser because they didn't exist? (only happens for html, head, body, p, colgroup, tbody and tr)
in the conceptual model for HTML those elements do exist in the document — it’s just that their start tags and end tags are omitted in the source markup
13:03
<annevk>
When is <p> implied?
13:03
<annevk>
Also, today I learned you can omit the first <tr>, though I guess that's non-compliant?
13:04
<sideshowbarker>
yeah, as far as document conformance
15:01
<martin>
in the conceptual model for HTML those elements do exist in the document — it’s just that their start tags and end tags are omitted in the source markup
right, of course
15:02
<martin>
for </p> in body insertion mode if it wasn't opened previously
15:12
<Jeffrey Yasskin>
Is there a way to style an element differently based on the scroll position in CSS? E.g., once the end user has scrolled down for x pixels, style the element differently?
Yes: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_scroll-driven_animations
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