03:02
<Domenic>

PSA for those who build the HTML Standard:

Thanks to Jeremy Roman, whatwg/html-build has replaced its string-substitution Perl preprocessor code with proper-HTML-parsing Rust preprocessor code. Very cool! This opens up many future opportunities for improving the HTML build tooling as well.

In case you don't want to install a Rust toolchain, you can also use the new --remote option to do a fully-remote build.

If you run into any problems, please let me know or file an issue.

08:07
<i18u>
hi, does the spec have any word to describe about that, if a Data URL SVG image svg can have a use child element, in another word, if the DataURL svg image and the the target svg element share a same DOM scope?
08:15
<i18u>

for example:

I have a SVG element contains some symbols. and have a img element use a DataURL, which use a SVG symbol of the main document.

<svg><symbol id="id" viewBox="0 0 1024 1024">...</symbol></svg>
<img src="data:image/svg+xml;utf8,<svg><use href="#id"></use></svg>">
09:47
<jason ji>
Hi, everyone. How can I know which new features(proposals) will be added to the HTML living standard? Which features will be implemented by browser vendors? Thank you in advance!
09:53
<jason ji>
ECMAScript has 5 stages for a new proposal, it's very clear. Does WHATWG have this kind of mechanism to let developers know which new features can be expected in the future?
10:06
<zcorpan>
jason ji: There's a proposal for such a mechanism, but it's optional to use. See https://github.com/whatwg/meta/issues/290
10:07
<zcorpan>
jason ji: otherwise there's the "addition/proposal" label: https://github.com/whatwg/html/labels/addition%2Fproposal
10:09
<zcorpan>
jason ji: and you can track implementation status in blink-dev (chromium) or dev-platform (gecko), and the relevant bugs for each browser
10:15
<jason ji>
Thank you zcorpan , The solution I can think of is monitoring browser version releases.
10:16
<jason ji>
I will pay attention to those two proposals.
10:17
<zcorpan>
jason ji: yes, release notes tells you when it's shipping (maybe during beta). "Intent to prototype" emails tells you someone will start working on an implementation
10:19
<jason ji>
The current HTML standard can actually feel somewhat mysterious because there haven't been new versions or clear new feature releases. This can, in fact, diminish the standard's visibility among developers.
12:40
<annevk>
i18u: in theory that ought to work; at some point I added this local URL concept for it to Fetch, but SVG never properly integrated with it I think
12:41
<annevk>
i18u: https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#local-urls-only-flag
13:46
<annevk>
Alright, hopefully "directionality" and the dirname attribute are now in a state where they can remain unchanged for another decade or so, modulo the introduction of new text-based form controls
14:40
<aja>
curious how directionality is handled for lang=zxx
14:41
aja
has been using on lorem ipsum sorta things
14:45
<aja>
same on font samples. to avoid long bits of nonsense being read out by at
14:45
<annevk>
aja: it's not influenced by language at all
14:49
<Panos Astithas>
The next time they conflict seems to be Nov 30
I'm told that this should be the last conflict this year and you might be the only one who attends both.
16:14
<zcorpan>
Panos Astithas: ok yeah, I guess I should clone myself :)
17:14
<Panos Astithas>
hehe
21:28
<el fenix King rv república de Venezuela>
Hila