| 07:07 | <annevk> | Anyone familiar with the phonetic alphabet and wants to review this: https://github.com/whatwg/whatwg.org/pull/448? |
| 07:07 | <annevk> | I'll merge it tomorrow if there's no further feedback |
| 07:28 | <Andreu Botella> | They have "what" as rhyming with "lot" in both the UK and US pronunciations – I think at least in the US it's a lot more common to rhyme it with "cut" |
| 07:28 | <Andreu Botella> | but other than that, it looks fine |
| 07:34 | <vpzom> | yeah those US transcriptions are not what I would expect |
| 16:45 | <lynko> | I speak American English (midwestern dialect) and for me it's /wʌˀ/ |
| 16:46 | <lynko> | /wʌt/ would probably be the best transcription but there are a few available here. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/what#Pronunciation |
| 18:59 | <Meghan Denny> | somewhat related to https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10483 is there any interest in using function names for abstract operations like in ES as opposed to the current sentence ones (eg https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#convert-to-premultiplied) |
| 19:00 | <Meghan Denny> | oh the fragment name is good for that one |
| 19:03 | <Harsh Tiwari> | does the css property :has work for ::slotted? Any alternative for it? |
| 20:51 | <lynko> | Anyone familiar with the phonetic alphabet and wants to review this: https://github.com/whatwg/whatwg.org/pull/448? IPA is for people who don't know how these words are pronounced, i.e. non-English speakers. The purpose of a phonetic transcription would be for someone who can't see the obvious pronunciation because they haven't complete mastery. The most important part of the transcription is probably the A and T in "what", since anyone speaking English even as a second language is going to have a personal sense of the "wh" digraph. I think the [ɑ] vowel would be distracting to native speakers. Consider the "Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook" sketch from Monty Python. The Hungarian national says "Do you /wænt/ -- /wɑnt/ to come back to my place?" He corrects his pronunciation to something obviously wrong, and it's exactly the same pattern being used in this PR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6D1YI-41ao |
| 23:22 | <Sam Sneddon [:gsnedders]> | (also questions of phonemes v. allophones, especially with dialectical variation. in widely spoken English varieties, dialects largely don't affect phonemes.) |
| 23:23 | <Sam Sneddon [:gsnedders]> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine–whine_merger also makes "what" somewhat dialectical, and gets into question as to what "standard" en-GB or en-US even is, though for the majority of speakers the merger has occurred. |
| 23:25 | <Sam Sneddon [:gsnedders]> | I think my biggest question is whether the length markers are meaningful; I don't think there's any difference in vowel length between common en-gb and en-us within "what"? |