| 03:34 | <Doctor> | Hello. |
| 03:34 | <Doctor> | Idk if this is the place to ask, but is there a reason writable streams don't have a BYOB mode? |
| 03:35 | <Doctor> | I was hoping to make some of my transform streams into byob, but it seems I wouldn't be able to use the pipeThrough method to do it. I'd instead need to ask for a readable stream and pop out a new readable stream in a class or function like manner. |
| 03:52 | <Domenic> | Doctor: there's no particularly strong reason. We kind of ran out of steam on designing it. There are some slightly tricky design questions, and the need was not as urgent as for readable streams. https://github.com/whatwg/streams/issues/495 has some discussion although it jumps into the deep end pretty quickly. |
| 04:01 | <Doctor> | Okay |
| 06:09 | <annevk> | Does anyone remember when an environment starts to exist and when it gets turned into an environment settings object? Is it "navigation start" vs "navigation response arrived"? |
| 06:14 | <Domenic> | That is roughly right. Environments start being created in the redirect-following loop, 21.2.4 of https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#create-navigation-params-by-fetching , so that they can be supplied as a reserved client. ESOs are created when we create the Window + Document object, https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#initialise-the-document-object 7.10 |
| 06:24 | <annevk> | Yeah, so even if we didn't need 'has cross-site ancestors' on environment for storage (but I think we do to select the correct service worker), we'd need it for the networking layer to formulate the correct request. |
| 06:25 | <annevk> | bvandersloot I guess we'll briefly discuss it later today but that in effect means you have to revamp your older HTML PR. |
| 06:52 | <Domenic> | I'm so sorry for not realizing :( |
| 10:14 | <cwilso> | Aaaaargh. annevk is there any chance you could pick up chairing today's meeting? Schedule overlap with closing of final AB meeting is going to make it difficult for me to make it. I can ask Googlers to run, but they aren't awake yet.3 |
| 10:41 | <Noam Rosenthal> | I'm an awake Googler :) happy to chair WHATNOT today if needed. Lots of topics on the agenda (including 2 I'm presenting if there's time) |
| 13:45 | <annevk> | Yeah, Noam or I will cover. |
| 15:29 | <Lea Verou> | Totally unrelated to today's meeting, does anyone remember where it was discussed whether <video> should be able to accept images (static or animated)? I'd swear there was an issue, but I can't find it |
| 15:34 | <annevk> | That sounds like mailing list era, but maybe there was something more recent? Media WG perhaps? Doesn't ring a bell. |
| 16:01 | <Noam Rosenthal> | Glad you're here Lea Verou! if we get to the IDREF issue in the agenda and you want to present it it would be great! |
| 17:38 | <Luke Warlow> | Totally unrelated to today's meeting, does anyone remember where it was discussed whether I seem to recall seeing discussion on that but also can't find it... https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/7141 this is the opposite perhaps it links out to the right issue somewhere in the thread? |
| 18:39 | <Lea Verou> | I can't even find it in the mailing list, though mailing list search is usually so bad I'm surprised when I do find something 😅 Hadn't thought of looking in Media WG, thanks for the idea. Though I just looked and there's nothing there. If I file a new issue, do you think it's a WHATWG issue or a Media WG issue? |
| 19:19 | <Noam Rosenthal> | There's some related discussion here: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6636 |
| 20:41 | <Lea Verou> | Thanks! I don't see it though (but I may have missed it, it's a long thread); This seems to be about poster images, not using animated images as <video> sources |
| 21:01 | <Noam Rosenthal> | Right I missed the animated bit of your original question, this issue is more about extending <video poster> capabilities to do everything an <img> can do |