| 07:23 | <Noam Rosenthal> | I think the ideas I had in November about it wouldn't work unfortunately. Probably needs some bloom filter etc so not that simple |
| 07:37 | <Noam Rosenthal> | though it's quite technical, so nowadays most of it is likely AI-codeable. I think it can be made efficient but I can't guarantee "simple" |
| 08:03 | <Luke Warlow> | Is anyone in the whatnot call? |
| 08:03 | <keithamus> | I imagine Noam Rosenthal is chairing today? Maybe missing the notification that people are waiting? |
| 08:05 | <foolip> | keithamus: are you joining? |
| 08:05 | <Noam Rosenthal> | Yes we're on the WHATNOT |
| 08:05 | <Luke Warlow> | I'm trying to? |
| 08:05 | <keithamus> | I am trying |
| 08:06 | <Noam Rosenthal> | zcorpan: are you joining? |
| 09:29 | <annevk> | Luke Warlow: emilio: is there some reason outline is not getting clipped due to ::picker(select)'s overflow: auto? I find I might have to use outline-offset with a negative value in WebKit, but that feels wrong. |
| 09:29 | <annevk> | https://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cstyle%3E%0Adiv%20%7B%20width%3A100px%3B%20height%3A100px%3B%20overflow%3Aauto%20%20%7D%0Adiv%20%3E%20div%20%7Boutline%3Asolid%20blue%202px%20%7D%0A%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0A...%3Cdiv%3E%3Cdiv%3Etest%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E is my minimal test btw, but maybe it's too minimal. |
| 09:30 | <Luke Warlow> | I think outline might not be interopable with its clipping behaviour |
| 09:30 | <Luke Warlow> | This doesnt' seem to work as a link to anything outline related to me, idk if matrix has broken it |
| 09:31 | <annevk> | Is certainly interoperable. |
| 09:31 | <annevk> | (The link works in my client, strange.) |
| 10:17 | <annevk> | It seems that Chrome somehow ends up with 1px room for the outline. But their outline is 1.5px so it still looks bad. |
| 10:38 | <annevk> | If anyone knows: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/12286 |
| 10:58 | <emilio> | annevk: do you have a <select> test-case? |
| 10:58 | <emilio> | In general I'd expect it to be clipped |
| 11:09 | <Luke Warlow> | https://github.com/openui/open-ui/issues/1375#issuecomment-3969687786 - this might be relevant. It seems that chrome might do something funky with outline-offset for auto outlines. It seems this is done past computed style time, potentially it's done during paint |
| 12:16 | <annevk> | emilio: https://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/14584 It seems like it mostly is, but Luke Warlow's thing seems relevant. Apparently Chrome draws it at a negative offset without using outline-offset for that. But that offset is not sufficient here as it still gets clipped a bit (and looks ugly). |
| 12:17 | <annevk> | To be clear, WebKit has its fair share of quirks in this area as well. Not sure we can get rid of all of them but maybe some. |
| 12:19 | <annevk> | I guess I'll use outline-offset for now but then the question becomes where I declare it. Probably in option:focus-visible for now? |
| 12:24 | <Luke Warlow> | I guess I'll use outline-offset for now but then the question becomes where I declare it. Probably in That or I guess it could be a used value time intervention if you didn't want the style to show up. Perhaps we should just specify an outline offset and then if people change the style to solid they won't still get fully clipped (currently they do in chrome I believe) |
| 12:27 | <Luke Warlow> | https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/blob/2effc4dc9a5f3e6b7a6e7a5d146828729e4afbeb/Source/WebCore/css/html.css#L1393 - seems that other elements get that treatment already fwiw |
| 13:17 | <dbaron> | BTW, do folks have strong opinions on whether the Europe/Asia WHATNOT should follow European time change or should just not change time (i.e., match east Asia)? |
| 14:14 | <Luke Warlow> | Should follow Europe imo given most attendees are in that rough timezone. |
| 15:27 | <annevk> | Slight preference for matching Europe; mostly since it's inconvenient for Mike Smith already for other reasons. |
| 15:27 | <annevk> |
I thought that's something people really didn't like. |
| 15:28 | <dbaron> | FWIW Chris just updated the calendar event (at my suggestion) to pin to 10am Berlin time. |
| 15:30 | <sideshowbarker> | I defer to whatever is better for y'all. I can deal with it either way. I managed to cook dinner during today's call and still follow all the discussion 😊 |
| 20:45 | <daxpedda> | Hi, I would like to push https://github.com/whatwg/encoding/issues/344 forward. It seems to me because all concerns are the same as in [AllowShared] that there is not much more to discuss.Would it be appropriate to just open a PR? |