| 00:00 | <Hixie> | i hope they continue |
| 00:00 | <Hixie> | makes our life hella easier |
| 00:03 | <tantek> | Hixie, indeed. It strikes me as odd when spammers copy content that references my name (a reasonably unique search term) into their spam blogs, not realizing that I'm likely to find and kill their spam blogs minutes after they post (since I work at Technorati). |
| 00:07 | <tylerr> | Oh what a little research would do to the world of spammers. |
| 00:07 | <tylerr> | Rather, what a little research on spammers part would have on them not being so easily found out. |
| 00:09 | <Dashiva> | Rather, what a little research by average users would have done on making spam less profitable :) |
| 00:09 | tylerr | chuckles. |
| 00:09 | <tylerr> | Too true. |
| 00:10 | <tylerr> | I'd use my surname as a URL but it would be hard for people to remember. |
| 00:10 | <Hixie> | there's a small number of people who actually like spam and use it |
| 00:10 | <Hixie> | and that's all it takes for it to be profitable |
| 00:11 | <tylerr> | I'm still hunting for a decent domain name. |
| 00:11 | <tylerr> | I suppose I'm too much of a perfectionist though and the quest will continue forever on. |
| 00:39 | <Lachy> | Hi |
| 00:45 | <Lachy> | I'm finding spammers are actually getting creative and posting comments that are somewhat relevant to the post. If it wasn't for their sites clearly being commercial and not related to web dev, it'd be hard to tell |
| 00:45 | <tantek> | Hixie, FWIW, I am getting your twitters |
| 00:54 | <Hixie> | tantek: yeah, i just don't get anyone else's. |
| 00:56 | <Hixie> | is there a way to see who has added you as a friend? |
| 00:56 | <Hixie> | the "27 Followers" line in my profile isn't a link |
| 00:59 | <KevinMarks> | http://twitter.com/Hixie/with_friends shows them |
| 01:00 | <Hixie> | ah thanks |
| 01:00 | <KevinMarks> | you sure you're logged in? the followers link is active for me whenI am |
| 01:00 | <Hixie> | definitely logged in |
| 01:00 | <Hixie> | and that page doesn't show a list of followers |
| 01:00 | <Hixie> | just the Friends |
| 01:00 | <hober> | fwiw, I see links for favorites & friends, but not followers |
| 01:02 | <Hixie> | oh hey |
| 01:02 | <Hixie> | i see a link to Followers when i go to the Favorites page |
| 01:02 | <Hixie> | man this site is so flaky |
| 12:30 | <zcorpan> | on a page listing news, would one use one <article> to wrap all news and then an <article> for each news item, or would one use a <section> to wrap all news then an <article> for each news item? |
| 12:55 | <zcorpan_> | http://simon.html5.org/temp/w3c-home-in-html5.html |
| 12:56 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: cool! |
| 12:57 | <zcorpan_> | styling doesn't work very well in firefox :( |
| 13:01 | <zcorpan_> | hsivonen: running it through your validator seems to reveal some bugs |
| 13:02 | <hsivonen> | The header element must have exactly one h1–h6 descendant. |
| 13:02 | <hsivonen> | yeah, that's a bug |
| 13:03 | <hsivonen> | I thought I had fixed it already |
| 13:03 | <zcorpan_> | also it complains about <nav><a> and <footer><address> |
| 13:03 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: perhaps the content model of <nav> has changed |
| 13:03 | zcorpan_ | looks |
| 13:04 | <hsivonen> | I guess I might as well do the header/footer refactoring over easter |
| 13:04 | <hsivonen> | that should fix the address bug |
| 13:05 | <zcorpan> | Zero or more block-level elements, or inline-level content (but not both). |
| 13:05 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan_: I am rather convinced that it was block only when I worked on that part |
| 13:06 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 13:45 | <annevk> | zcorpan, nice |
| 13:59 | <annevk> | zcorpan, maybe make an XHTML5 one for the styling? |
| 14:00 | <annevk> | http://simon.html5.org/temp/valid-html5.png lol! |
| 14:04 | <hsivonen> | yeah, that was fun even though in general I don't like validity badges |
| 14:13 | <zcorpan> | i don't like them either :) |
| 14:14 | <zcorpan> | annevk: i'd rather mozilla fixed their html parser |
| 14:15 | <annevk> | fair enough |
| 14:16 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: what's the deal with "one or more block-level elements" in the content model of <details>? usually you have zero or more |
| 14:17 | <hsivonen> | fantasai's framework assumes that you always have zero or more, so I have a schema-wide refactoring ahead if you really meant one or more |
| 14:17 | annevk | wonders what the use of zero would be |
| 14:17 | <annevk> | in that case |
| 14:17 | <hsivonen> | annevk: making placeholders conforming |
| 14:19 | <hsivonen> | although the refactoring would be good to schema aesthetics anyway |
| 14:21 | hsivonen | realizes that zero block level elements counts as inline level empty string |
| 14:22 | <zcorpan> | there is a concept of inline level empty string? |
| 14:23 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: I meant in terms of deriving the document tree from the grammar |
| 14:24 | <zcorpan> | ok |
| 14:24 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: but the empty string counts as inline-level content |
| 14:24 | <hsivonen> | not a spec concept, though |
| 14:25 | <Dashiva> | So <p></p> contains a single empty string textnode, while <p><b></b></p> contains a single <b> element, which in turn contains a single empty string textnode? |
| 14:25 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: they do not contain text nodes in the DOM sense |
| 14:26 | <Dashiva> | So document tree != the final DOM? |
| 14:26 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: but as far as the spec's notion of inline content and the RELAX NG notion of text is concerned, yes |
| 14:26 | <zcorpan> | why does tbody take One or more tr elements, instead of 0 or more? http://www.whatwg.org/demos/repeat-01/ has an empty tbody if you click Remove |
| 14:27 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: excellent question |
| 14:27 | zcorpan | will bug the list |
| 14:29 | <Dashiva> | +1 ;) |
| 14:32 | <zcorpan> | should perhaps apply to <tr>s as direct children to table too |
| 18:57 | <KevinMarks> | CSS Naked day is a good day fro a whatwg meet |
| 18:57 | <KevinMarks> | http://naked.dustindiaz.com/ |
| 19:31 | <annevk> | http://www.markbaker.ca/blog/2007/04/05/faith/ |
| 19:31 | <zcorpan> | ha |
| 20:20 | <zcorpan_> | and does someone know how opera have treated wml historically? |
| 20:26 | <hasather> | zcorpan_: I only know that it has been supported for quite some time |
| 20:28 | <zcorpan_> | i've seen hixie say that wml content generally isn't well-formed xml, and wml parsers aren't drocanian xml parsers |
| 20:28 | <zcorpan_> | but i can't find it back |
| 20:28 | <hasather> | zcorpan_: ok. Downliad Opera 4 and test it :) |
| 20:29 | zcorpan_ | sighs |
| 22:09 | <zcorpan_> | chris didn't top-post! let's hope he continues that way :) |
| 22:34 | <hasather> | noticed that. text/plain too :) |
| 22:43 | <ianloic> | coffee good |
| 23:07 | <othermaciej> | I <heart> coffee |
| 23:12 | zcorpan_ | ♥ unicode |
| 23:12 | <zcorpan_> | (and utf-8 is implied in this room ;) ) |
| 23:41 | <Philip`> | Hmm, the example code under http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#outlines seems to be missing some brackets in the second and third if blocks |
| 23:43 | <Hixie> | indeed |
| 23:44 | <zcorpan_> | would be nice to have that script in a working demo page |
| 23:45 | zcorpan_ | tried it before but didn't get it working |
