| 01:39 | <Dashiva> | Oh wow |
| 01:40 | <Dashiva> | Email suggesting to replace <canvas>fallback</canvas> with <img src="fallback.gif"> |
| 01:42 | <Lachy> | Dashiva: it's best to just ignore Andrew's emails. He rarely says anything sensible |
| 01:43 | <Dashiva> | ... Isee |
| 01:47 | <ajnewbold> | woo! utterly useless: http://newbold.name/gradient/?start=339966&end=CCFF99&height=300 |
| 01:48 | <ajnewbold> | anyone know GD functions and want to help me turn that into something that makes an image? |
| 01:48 | <ajnewbold> | I'd ask in ##php but I'm banned, heh |
| 01:49 | <Dashiva> | That doesn't look very 300px to me |
| 01:49 | <ajnewbold> | hmm |
| 01:49 | <ajnewbold> | what browser? |
| 01:50 | <Dashiva> | IE and Opera |
| 01:50 | <ajnewbold> | hmm |
| 01:50 | <ajnewbold> | does it look higher or lower? |
| 01:50 | <Dashiva> | It's more like 3000px |
| 01:50 | <ajnewbold> | OH HOLY CRAP |
| 01:50 | <ajnewbold> | yeah |
| 01:50 | <ajnewbold> | I just looked at it in Opera |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | now this is interesting |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | it's a bunch of divs, each 1px high |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | 300 of them |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | why would that stack up to more than 300px? |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | it still looks smooth, interesting |
| 01:51 | <Dashiva> | Because they aren't actually 1px high |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | oh |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | ohhhhh |
| 01:51 | <ajnewbold> | nvm, I see what I did |
| 01:51 | ajnewbold | growls at himself |
| 01:52 | <ajnewbold> | Dashiva: try again now :) |
| 01:52 | <Dashiva> | Still 3000 in IE, but 300 in Opera |
| 01:54 | <ajnewbold> | hmmm |
| 01:54 | <ajnewbold> | Dashiva: I don't have IE :( |
| 01:54 | <ajnewbold> | any idea what IE's problem might be? |
| 01:54 | <ajnewbold> | is it freaking out that I don't have a doctype or something? |
| 01:55 | <ajnewbold> | or... <body> ... heh |
| 01:55 | ajnewbold | cleans things up |
| 01:57 | <Dashiva> | You might want to outsource height to a stylesheet, and the width is somewhat redundant |
| 01:58 | <Dashiva> | Okay, workie in IE |
| 01:59 | <ajnewbold> | Dashiva: heh, funny |
| 01:59 | <ajnewbold> | so all IE wanted was valid, well-formed source |
| 01:59 | <ajnewbold> | that's a new one |
| 01:59 | <Dashiva> | There's a reason they call it quirks mode |
| 01:59 | <ajnewbold> | ah |
| 02:00 | <ajnewbold> | well, what I'd like to do is generate an image file |
| 02:00 | <ajnewbold> | I'm sure lots of people out there just want simple gradients to use as backgrounds, but don't want to mess with graphics apps just to make them |
| 02:01 | <ajnewbold> | ah, nevermind |
| 02:01 | <ajnewbold> | http://calebegg.com/grad/ someone's already done it |
| 02:01 | <Dashiva> | Have the server run opera, firefox or safari, generate the gradient on a canvas, toDataUrl the canvas into a new window, "save as" that image, and serve it to the user |
| 02:02 | <ajnewbold> | canvas, hmm |
| 02:02 | <ajnewbold> | I really need to learn more about that |
| 02:02 | <Dashiva> | (The above is not to be taken as a serious suggestion) |
| 02:02 | <ajnewbold> | oh |
| 02:02 | <ajnewbold> | I take everything seriously |
| 02:03 | <ajnewbold> | it's a horrible personality flaw |
| 02:03 | <Dashiva> | There are many ways to do it, really |
| 09:19 | <met_> | http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=39 |
| 09:21 | <annevk> | interesting |
| 09:21 | <Hixie> | hey |
| 09:21 | <annevk> | morning |
| 09:22 | <hsivonen> | morning |
| 09:22 | <met_> | good morning |
| 09:22 | <met_> | and the ussage in the example http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/~bts630_071g07/canvas/BargraphExample.xhtml |
| 09:22 | <met_> | altough not valid of course |
| 10:35 | <Lachy> | Hey Hixie |
| 10:50 | <Hixie> | hey |
| 11:20 | <annevk> | Does Chris Wilson mean that the CSS fixes they will be doing will solely apply to Really We Mean it this Time Standards Mode? |
| 11:21 | <annevk> | I'm not really sure I understand his example with floats as other browsers likely render those sites ok... |
| 11:24 | <hsivonen> | looks like Dreamhost is having an outage again |
| 11:24 | <annevk> | yeah |
| 11:25 | <annevk> | whatwg.org down, html5.org down |
| 11:25 | <annevk> | etc. |
| 11:28 | <hsivonen> | once the easter holidays are over, someone has to raise the issue of adopting HTML5 in the HTML WG. the current situation is unproductive |
| 11:29 | annevk | wonders how that will go |
| 11:29 | <hsivonen> | I have a draft email |
| 11:32 | <met_> | annevk, any way of voting? (dunno who can start voting in html wg) |
| 11:33 | <annevk> | I suppose voting could work |
| 11:33 | <webben> | would the main bar to that be Microsoft? |
| 11:33 | <webben> | or the xforms-lite folks? |
| 11:34 | <annevk> | I'm not sure what the position of either is |
| 11:34 | <annevk> | Doesn't really matter much at this point |
| 11:35 | <annevk> | It starts getting interesting once another draft + editor is being put forward |
| 11:35 | <annevk> | but I don't really see that happening |
| 11:35 | <webben> | how come? just general pessimism about the process? |
| 11:36 | <webben> | oh wait you mean another as in additional to whatwg's html5? |
| 11:36 | <annevk> | Yes |
| 11:44 | <hendry> | dreamhost are a tad unreliable :/ |
| 12:21 | <Dashiva> | Considering even the expert group making up the WG can't get acronyms and initialisms right (or even agree what is right), why are we still chasing after the idea that average authors will? |
| 12:52 | <Lachy> | Hey Hixie, I finally started playing around with irssi. |
| 12:52 | <Lachy> | it's not as hard as I initially thought it would be, but there are still many things I need to learn about it. |
| 13:57 | <annevk> | <figure> should work inside <p> |
| 13:57 | <annevk> | much like <random> works |
| 15:20 | <hsivonen> | annevk: nice for HTML5. less nice for the schema handling of struct-inline and text/html... |
| 15:21 | <hsivonen> | annevk: I'll comment on the list. thanks |
| 16:03 | <annevk> | http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/04/08/dns-issues-causing-possible-site-and-email-downtime/ |
| 18:48 | <annevk> | http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/04/html_5.html |
| 23:47 | <Lachy> | the idea for the generic script data attr is interesting. |
| 23:48 | <Lachy> | I've used class="" in the past for such things |
| 23:48 | <Dashiva> | Yeah, and I predict that if role is ever made common, people will use role for it too |
| 23:49 | <Lachy> | If they did, it would be abuse |
| 23:49 | <Lachy> | but I doubt role will ever become successful |
| 23:50 | <Dashiva> | As long as the validator didn't complain, that's all that would matter |
| 23:50 | <Lachy> | I'd like to know more about the use cases ppk has in mind for it |
| 23:51 | <Lachy> | I'll ask him. |
| 23:51 | <Dashiva> | An example would be declarative form validation before wf2 |
| 23:51 | <webben> | Lachy, Isn't role already becoming successful for a tech that hasn't even been standardized yet? |
| 23:51 | <webben> | (leaving aside the Q of whether role is well specced) |
| 23:52 | <Dashiva> | You could either make up attributes and face invalidation (scary) or use class |
| 23:52 | <Lachy> | only in a very limited market |
| 23:53 | <Lachy> | I haven't seen it used beyond a few experimental pages so far |
| 23:53 | <webben> | I think Dojo are either using it or planning on using it. |
| 23:53 | <Lachy> | what for? |
| 23:54 | <webben> | Lachy, WAI |
| 23:54 | <webben> | (ARIA support in FF and major screen readers) |
| 23:54 | <Lachy> | for what purpose? |
| 23:54 | <webben> | increased accessibility of weird widgets |
| 23:54 | <webben> | and (I suppose) live regions |
| 23:55 | <Lachy> | I don't understand what it's for. HTML5 elements and form controls seem to cover everything role does, and more |
| 23:55 | <webben> | see e.g. http://dojotoolkit.org/node/549 |
| 23:55 | <webben> | Lachy, I'm not sure HTML5 yet has a way of expressing the priority of live updates? |
| 23:56 | <webben> | Lachy, might as well ask what Dojo is for |
| 23:56 | <webben> | the important thing is that Dojo apps if built be made accessible, i think |
| 23:58 | <webben> | Lachy, I suspect at least some of this reflects authors' desire to style form widgets |
| 23:58 | <webben> | but I don't really know |
| 23:59 | <Lachy> | styled form controls are a problem that CSS will solve |
| 23:59 | <webben> | do we have HTML5 tree widgets? |