| 08:36 | <Lachy> | OMG! It really doesn't help when John responds to a difference of opinion with hostility, and then wonders where the attitude problem comes from :-( |
| 12:23 | <zcorpan> | wow... |
| 12:23 | zcorpan | is skipping the print thread |
| 12:25 | annevk | did that too |
| 12:26 | <annevk> | seemed like a waste of time |
| 12:37 | <krijnh> | annevk: what have you done wrong on GoT? |
| 12:38 | <annevk> | nothing lately |
| 12:38 | <krijnh> | And before? |
| 12:39 | <annevk> | before that nothing much either as far as I can tell |
| 12:39 | <annevk> | pointer? |
| 12:40 | <krijnh> | http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/28361582#28361582 |
| 12:40 | <annevk> | Ik denk dat hij bedoelt dat ik er tegenwoordig niet meer langskom |
| 12:40 | <krijnh> | Ah, dat kan ook ja |
| 12:41 | <krijnh> | Ik dacht al :) |
| 12:41 | <krijnh> | Verwart 'ie je met Faruk ofzo? ;p |
| 14:59 | <annevk> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play |
| 15:06 | <Philip`> | Did something just change with DOCTYPE handling, or am I imagining things? |
| 15:07 | <annevk> | Where? |
| 15:08 | <Philip`> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play |
| 15:08 | <annevk> | Changed as opposed to what, in that case? |
| 15:09 | <Philip`> | It appeared to be giving an empty document if I had a <!DOCTYPE > anywhere, but now it doesn't do that, but I can't remember if I was just doing something wrong at first :-) |
| 15:09 | <annevk> | a start tag is required, fwiw |
| 15:09 | <krijnh> | annevk: text-align:justifyx ? |
| 15:09 | <annevk> | or empty tag |
| 15:10 | <annevk> | krijnh, ah, I'll drop that line |
| 15:10 | <krijnh> | Perhaps an Opera extension, to fix justify :) |
| 15:11 | <Philip`> | Is it intentional that <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "foo"'> isn't parsed the same as in HTML5? |
| 15:11 | <Philip`> | (I have no idea how XML would parse that) |
| 15:11 | <hasather> | Philip`: you need a system id |
| 15:12 | <annevk> | doctypes are currently not ending up in the tree |
| 15:12 | <annevk> | you should be able to use the internal subset to add entities and default attribute values though |
| 15:15 | <annevk> | maybe when I have some more time I'll do it through oninput and XMLHttpRequest which should safe everyone from pressing that silly button |
| 15:16 | <annevk> | and maybe also provide some other output serializations |
| 15:24 | <Philip`> | Oh, in XML it's just a parse error when it hits the ' instead of finding a space character |
| 15:24 | <Philip`> | (whereas HTML5 ignores the ' and ends the doctype on the >, and XML5 thinks it's the start of a single-quoted string and carries on reading until it finds a closing single-quote somewhere later) |
| 15:25 | <annevk> | I've yet to enable parse errors; error handling could be changed I suppose to make it more HTML5 like |
| 15:27 | <Philip`> | You could save everyone from pressing that button by just implementing it in client-side JavaScript instead of Python or whatever it is :-) |
| 15:35 | <annevk> | maybe I should reimplement it in ocaml |
| 15:40 | <Philip`> | That'd just be crazy :-p |
| 15:45 | <Philip`> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%3Chtml%3E%26lt%3B%26lt%3B%3C%2Fhtml%3E is weird |
| 15:47 | <annevk> | there are issues with entity handling, yeah, :( |
| 15:47 | <annevk> | I should fix that |
| 15:50 | <Philip`> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%3Chtml%3E%26amp%3C%2Fhtml%3E - that also looks like issues :-) |
| 15:51 | <annevk> | it shouldn't have emitted the final ; |
| 15:52 | <zcorpan> | "# [16:32] <Philip`> (whereas HTML5 ignores the ' and ends the doctype on the >, and XML5 thinks it's the start of a single-quoted string and carries on reading until it finds a closing single-quote somewhere later) " -- that's not how i read the html5 spec |
| 15:53 | <zcorpan> | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "foo"'> is, afaict, parsed as if it was <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "foo" '>'> |
| 15:55 | <annevk> | yeah |
| 15:58 | <Philip`> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%7C+%3Ca%3E+%7C - "Service Temporarily Unavailable" |
| 15:59 | <Philip`> | zcorpan: Argh, I'm not sure how I missed that when actually testing it - maybe I didn't bother looking at the test output... |
| 15:59 | <Philip`> | But at least IE does ignore the ' if you do that |
| 16:00 | <Philip`> | (which is possibly what I was thinking of) |
| 16:00 | <zcorpan> | ie is possibly reparsing |
| 16:01 | <Philip`> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?a%3C%21DOCTYPE%20%22%22%22%3Eb%22%3Ec%0D%0Ad%3C%21DOCTYPE%20%22%22%20%22%3Ee%22%3Ef |
| 16:02 | <annevk> | Philip`, weird... |
| 16:03 | <annevk> | works fine if I try it directly on the server... |
| 16:03 | <zcorpan> | Philip`: oh. wow. |
| 16:04 | <Philip`> | IE never really parses the doctype - it just tries to jump through the quotes and work out where the end of the doctype is, then does string matches through the entire doctype content to decide if it should be quirks mode |
| 16:05 | <Philip`> | (See quirkiness of http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20fooDOCTYPE%20NETSCfoo%3E vs http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20fooDOCTYPE%20NETSfoo%3E ) |
| 16:12 | <annevk> | Philip`, thanks for the bug reports btw, I'll look into them somewhere next week |
| 16:14 | <Philip`> | (Also http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20DTD%20HTML%204%20http%3A//%3E works peculiarly in IE, when you remove a / or change the 4 into a 3 or 5 first) |
| 16:25 | <zcorpan> | can someone read hungarian? http://weblabor.hu/forumok/temak/18561 |
| 16:28 | <Philip`> | http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?type=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fweblabor.hu%2Fforumok%2Ftemak%2F18561&text=&from=hun&to=eng can't read it especially well |
| 16:32 | <zcorpan_> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%3C%21DOCTYPE+a%5B%3C%21ENTITY+a+%22%3Ca%2F%3E%22%3E%5D%3E%26a%3B |
| 16:32 | <zcorpan_> | that was not allowed in xml 1.0 |
| 16:34 | <Philip`> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%EF%BF%BD - internal server error |
| 16:37 | <zcorpan_> | Philip`: no wonder, it decodes as windows-1252 instead of utf-8... |
| 16:37 | <zcorpan_> | gotta love tools that assume that there is a mapping between language and encoding |
| 16:57 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: the xml declaration is not part of the infoset in xml 1.0 i think |
| 17:18 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: <:> is interesting. per xml 1.0 without namespaces it is just an element with the name ":" |
| 17:22 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%3Ca%3E%3C%2Fb+x%3D%22%3E%22%3E is different from html5 |
| 17:25 | <Philip`> | http://quuz.org/xml5/play?source=%3Ca%3E%3Cb%3E%0D%0A%3Ca%2F%3E%3Cb%3E%0D%0A%3Ca%2F%2F%3E%3Cb%3E%0D%0A%3Ca%2F%2F%2F%3E%3Cb%3E%0D%0A%3Ca%2F%2F%2F%2F%3E%3Cb%3E seems odd |
| 17:27 | <zcorpan_> | <??> |
| 20:13 | <gavin> | hrm, are the list archives going to be fixed some time soon? |
| 20:16 | <hsivonen> | gavin: I wouldn't expect fixes to the whatwg infrastructure while Hixie is on vacation |
| 20:17 | <gavin> | ok |
| 20:17 | <gavin> | when is he back, again? |
| 20:19 | <hsivonen> | gavin: IIRC, he went away for three weeks, but I've lost track of the starting point of the three weeks |
| 20:20 | <gavin> | ok |