| 01:17 | <Hixie> | this forms task force isn't moving very fast |
| 01:20 | <othermaciej_> | indeed |
| 08:00 | <hsivonen> | "Blindly following |
| 08:00 | <hsivonen> | standards is being "enterprise" but bowing to a different master. " |
| 08:00 | <hsivonen> | (from the Rails discussion) |
| 08:01 | <hsivonen> | for context "I don't care if the browser is really treating my xhtml as invalid |
| 08:01 | <hsivonen> | html4. That has had zero impact on my work." |
| 13:57 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: do you have a pointer as to why the html 4.0 transitional doctype with url has to trigger quirks mode? |
| 13:58 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: yeah. one of the bug numbers I remember. :-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42525 |
| 13:59 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: it was needed for apple.com before the Almost Standards Mode existed |
| 14:00 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: when the Almost Standards Mode was introduced, changing the quirkiness of the 4.0 doctype was seen as unnecessary and something that would just shake the stability of sniffing |
| 14:02 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154683 |
| 14:34 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: thanks |
| 16:12 | <ROBOd> | hey guys |
| 16:13 | <ROBOd> | what's up with the Window specification? the one being worked on by the Web API group http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/Window/publish/Window.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8 |
| 16:14 | <ROBOd> | it seems as a duplicate of the Browsing contexts section from HTML 5 (and not only, there's session history and navigation in HTML 5 as well) |
| 16:16 | <othermaciej> | ROBOd: it was an attempt to spec the Window object independently of HTML5 so it could be sensibly used for non-HTML languages and such |
| 17:15 | <YaaL> | http://42.pl/u/utb |
| 17:15 | <YaaL> | Oops |
| 17:24 | <ROBOd> | othermaciej: is the spec "abandoned"? Window 1.0 |
| 17:25 | <othermaciej> | ROBOd: not explicitly, although I'm not sure if it's worth continuing effort with HTML5 under w3c auspices now |
| 17:27 | <ROBOd> | othermaciej: that's what i was thinking... what's now defined in the HTML 5 spec is more mature (and better) than the Window 1.0 spec |
| 17:30 | <othermaciej> | ROBOd: I haven't read over what HTML5 says lately |
| 17:30 | <othermaciej> | ROBOd: if I or anyone else worked on that spec, I would recommend plagiarizing HTML5 |
| 17:32 | <ROBOd> | i'm reading the entire html5 spec - i want to get know all of it. of course, not in minute details, but i want to be aware of the entire set of functionality, how it works, etc |
| 17:32 | <ROBOd> | while doing that, i also contribute with comments, reporting errors and such |
| 17:32 | <zcorpan> | and write test cases? :) |
| 17:32 | <ROBOd> | othermaciej: what do you mean by ... "recommend plagiarizing html5"? |
| 17:33 | <othermaciej> | zcorpan: I actually already wrote a bunch of test cases |
| 17:33 | <othermaciej> | http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/WindowTestSuite/ |
| 17:33 | <ROBOd> | zcorpan: hehe, that's next. ;) after i'm "done" with review the spec, i'm interesting in writing test cases and/or implementations for various algorithms |
| 17:33 | <othermaciej> | there's html, xhtml and svg versions of all the tests autogenerated from a common source |
| 17:33 | <ROBOd> | (i'm talking of html5) |
| 17:34 | <ROBOd> | *i'm interested |
| 17:34 | <zcorpan> | othermaciej: nice! |
| 17:34 | <othermaciej> | in theory it could also make versions of all those that use other scripting languages too |
| 17:34 | <othermaciej> | (at one point it seemed interesting to have Java versions) |
| 17:35 | <othermaciej> | here's an example of what the test output looks like: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/WindowTestSuite/publish/html/ecmascript/browsing-contexts/Window-window.html?rev=1.1&content-type=text/html;%20charset=iso-8859-1 |
| 17:35 | <othermaciej> | btw I highly recommend my test framework for anyone who wants to make DOM tests |
| 17:35 | <ROBOd> | working on TCs and implementations of some stuff will allow me to provide more in-depth comments on the html5 spec |
| 17:35 | <ROBOd> | othermaciej: i'll look into that |
| 17:36 | <othermaciej> | the test framework is here: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/ReTest/ |
| 17:37 | zcorpan | bookmarks to his del.icio.us |
| 18:34 | dglazkov | was looking at pushState spec and it looked strangely familiar |
| 18:35 | <dglazkov> | in a good way |
| 19:09 | <krijnh> | Philip`: shh ;) |
| 23:13 | <aa> | othermaciej: Did you decide on a time to come visit? |
| 23:14 | <aa> | michael would like to join, but he is out wed-fri next week, so he would prefer the monday after, or else monday or tuesday next week. |
| 23:14 | <Hixie> | monday is no good for me next week |
| 23:18 | <aa> | tuesday? |
| 23:18 | <Hixie> | wfm |
| 23:52 | <othermaciej> | aa: I might be able to do Tuesday |
| 23:52 | <othermaciej> | (meeting right now though) |