| 01:09 | <kingryan> | has anyone else implemented the content-type sniffing in the spec? |
| 02:23 | <JohnResig> | weinig: hehe, my name is 'resig' ;) btw http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/35134 I updated the test suite a bunch this afternoon, might want to pull a fresh copy (fixing up some unresolved failures) let me know if you have any questions! |
| 02:24 | <weinig> | oh noes! |
| 02:24 | <weinig> | will fix |
| 02:24 | <weinig> | sorry! |
| 02:25 | <weinig> | JohnResig: I think "xHTML|*#root3 xHTML|div svg *|circle" is still incorrect |
| 02:25 | <weinig> | circle1 should be allowed |
| 02:26 | <JohnResig> | weinig: one sec, I chatted with boris about this |
| 02:26 | <weinig> | ok |
| 02:31 | <JohnResig> | weinig: it seems to make sense to me - I'm double-checking. The one case that I fixed in that test was where a default namespace was actually provided - in that case the result should be *just* "circle1" |
| 02:33 | <weinig> | JohnResig: sorry |
| 02:33 | <weinig> | JohnResig: you were saying? |
| 02:33 | <JohnResig> | weinig: it seems to make sense to me - I'm double-checking. The one case that I fixed in that test was where a default namespace was actually provided - in that case the result should be *just* "cir |
| 02:33 | <JohnResig> | oops |
| 02:34 | <JohnResig> | *just* circle1 |
| 02:34 | <weinig> | why just circle1? |
| 02:34 | <weinig> | svg should be interpreted as *|svg in this case |
| 02:35 | <JohnResig> | since when a default namespace is provided (when the resolver returns "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";) it should limit it to that namespace - the other case, that the test also handles, is when the resolver returns undefined as the default namespace - in that case it should probably be "*|svg" - which is what I'm double-checking on right now. |
| 02:40 | <weinig> | JohnResig: no default namespace is provided though |
| 02:41 | <JohnResig> | weinig: "Good Namespace" resolvers 1, 3, 5, 7 return a default namespace if null is passed in |
| 02:42 | <weinig> | right, I think this was for number 2 |
| 02:42 | <JohnResig> | correct - which is what I mentioned - that you and I think it should be equal to *|svg |
| 02:42 | <JohnResig> | and it's what I'm double-checking on now |
| 02:42 | <weinig> | I see |
| 02:43 | <JohnResig> | I had discussed it with bz earlier, I just wanted to verify our talk |
| 03:27 | <Hixie> | wtf is frank smoking |
| 03:44 | <weinig_> | JohnResig: receive verification? :) |
| 04:24 | <Hixie> | why won't apple take my money, othermaciej |
| 04:24 | Hixie | has been trying to update his ipod for 2 days now |
| 04:27 | <jruderman> | wait, doesn't the update fix a bunch of security holes? they're making you pay for a security fix? |
| 04:28 | <jruderman> | i'm going by http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/07/a_bakers_dozen_security_update.html |
| 04:38 | <Hixie> | the only part of the update i care about is the part that gives me a public key that i can use to verify signed software |
| 04:39 | <Hixie> | which i guess is a "security fix" in the same sense that being under house arrest is a "security fix" for the people in the house |
| 04:39 | <Hixie> | (this feature is being marketed as "app store") |
| 04:59 | <Hixie> | this has to be the most botched launch of the year |
| 05:21 | <Hixie> | oooh, it started downloading |
| 07:06 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: if you'd like to send your money direct to me instead I'd accept it |
| 07:07 | <Hixie> | hah |
| 07:08 | <Hixie> | do i also get the stuff i would get through the normal channels? :-) |
| 07:12 | <othermaciej> | oh, you want to get stuff for your money |
| 07:12 | <othermaciej> | how selfish |
| 07:46 | <Hixie> | holy crap |
| 07:46 | <Hixie> | undocumented unexpected bug fix in ipod touch 2.0 software |
| 07:47 | <Hixie> | unicode font that includes U+263A! |
| 07:53 | Hixie | wonders why safari doesn't support Link: headers with rel="icon" |
| 08:10 | <Hixie> | hey the music player also takes video now |
| 08:20 | <Hixie> | good god |
| 08:20 | <Hixie> | is frank for real? |
| 08:21 | <Hixie> | calling firefox "bastard browser from hell" is so not professional |
| 08:22 | <MikeSmith> | dude seems to be in a world of his own |
| 08:26 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: I guess you reopened Bug 5830 because of latest mail from Philip Jägenstedt about cue ranges? |
| 08:44 | <MikeSmith> | hmm, this is weird. I'm trying to use html5lib to parse the HTML5 spec, read in from the web (instead of a local filesystem copy). Sometimes it works, but sometimes it seems to get only part way through and then just quits -- without emitting any error. |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | when it quits, I seem to end up with a truncated version of the source, which if I serialize it, looks like, e.g.: |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | </td><td> There is a <a href="#ltquerygt" title="url-query"><query></a> |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | component, but it is empty. The question mark in the resulting value |
| 08:45 | <MikeSmith> | is the prefix</td></tr></tbody></table></div></body></html> |
| 08:46 | <MikeSmith> | is there another python HTML parser I can use? |
| 08:46 | <Hixie> | the philip and david mails |
| 08:46 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: I see |
| 09:27 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: Can you report that as a bug please? I have an idea what the problem is but can't look right now |
| 09:36 | <jgraham> | (fwiw I suspect it works if you read the whole thing off the network up front) |
| 09:41 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: frank who? |
| 10:05 | <Lachy> | othermaciej, Frank Ellermann on public-html-comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2008Jul/0013.html |
| 10:08 | <Lachy> | othermaciej, I think I may have a better solution to the NSResolver issue. |
| 10:09 | <weinig> | JohnResig: you around? |
| 10:09 | <Lachy> | If I make it a DOMString that uses the @namespace syntax, then browsers can use their existing parsers from CSS, it shifts the case sensitivity issue from selectors api to css3-namespace, solves all the problems with the function approach and is relatively easy and familiar for authors already using namespaces in selectors |
| 10:10 | <Lachy> | weinig, what do you think about that? |
| 10:11 | <Lachy> | e.g. querySelector("x|p", "@namespace x 'http://example.com'";); |
| 10:11 | <weinig> | Lachy: it might be a little cumbersome but I think it could work nicely |
| 10:12 | <Lachy> | since namespaces are a silly little edge case that authors will use relatively rarely, I don't really care that much about it being a little cumbersome |
| 10:12 | <Lachy> | but it's less cumbersome than the function |
| 10:13 | <weinig> | Lachy: way less! |
| 10:14 | <weinig> | Lachy: so the separate namespaces would be separated by ; ? |
| 10:14 | <weinig> | as in stylesheets |
| 10:14 | <Lachy> | yes |
| 10:15 | <Lachy> | and best of all, I get away with not having to define syntax and parsing requirements as I would have for the other DOMString suggestions previously raised on public-webapi |
| 10:17 | <othermaciej> | Lachy: BETTER THAN WHAT? |
| 10:17 | <othermaciej> | Lachy: THAT SEEMS OK |
| 10:17 | <othermaciej> | Lachy: oops |
| 10:17 | <othermaciej> | sorry I accidentally hit caps lock |
| 10:21 | <Lachy> | othermaciej, I wondered why you were shouting at me? :-) |
| 10:21 | <Lachy> | othermaciej, it's better than the current function approach |
| 11:00 | <Hixie> | all set up now. http://junkyard.damowmow.com/329 |
| 11:00 | <Hixie> | i can now go back to fixing the spec. |
| 11:00 | <Hixie> | oh good, julian took care of frank. |
| 11:00 | Philip` | wonders who uses pi-bar as a currency |
| 11:01 | <Hixie> | valid question |
| 11:02 | <Philip`> | Oh, apparently 元 is Yuan so it's Chinese people |
| 11:07 | <Hixie> | ah |
| 11:10 | <Lachy> | Philip`, who said anything about "pi-bar"? |
| 11:12 | <Hixie> | i did |
| 11:13 | <Lachy> | where? |
| 11:23 | <Hixie> | "all set up now. http://junkyard.damowmow.com/329"; |
| 11:23 | <Hixie> | oops, forgot to remove the DHSPAM marker that my spam filter added |
| 11:23 | <Hixie> | oh well |
| 11:23 | <Hixie> | i hope frank doesn't take offence |
| 11:24 | <Lachy> | oh, I see. In the currency converter logo. |
| 11:55 | <takkaria> | Hixie: how could you give credit to someone who's making you spell "tokenisation" wrong? :P |
| 11:55 | <Hixie> | eh i gave up on that months ago, the word tokenisation somehow slipped through the cracks |
| 11:55 | <Hixie> | everything else was changed a while back |
| 11:55 | <takkaria> | ah |
| 11:56 | takkaria | sighs |
| 11:56 | <Lachy> | what? why? |
| 11:56 | <Lachy> | tokenisation is the correct spelling |
| 11:56 | <Hixie> | imho it should be spelt tokenization |
| 11:56 | <Lachy> | silly corrupted american spelling :-( |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | er wait |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | other way around |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | it should be spelt tokenisation |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | but the spec now spells it tokenization |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | or something |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | i dunno |
| 11:57 | <Hixie> | whatever |
| 11:58 | <Lachy> | I see you did that mostly with color/colour too |
| 11:58 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 11:58 | <Hixie> | not a battle worth fighting |
| 11:58 | <Lachy> | who insisted on changing it to en-US? |
| 11:59 | <Lachy> | (my specs are in en-AU and they're not changing) |
| 11:59 | <Hixie> | w3c policy |
| 11:59 | <Hixie> | good luck with that |
| 11:59 | <Lachy> | I'd be willing to settle for en-GB though |
| 11:59 | <Lachy> | the spelling is mostly the same |
| 12:02 | <Hixie> | i have plenty of petty fights already without adding spelling to the list :-) |
| 12:02 | <Hixie> | mostly i don't have a good argument against the spelling thing |
| 12:02 | <Hixie> | whereas i do on the other petty things :-) |
| 12:03 | <mcarter> | Lachy, it seems pretty trivial to come up with a list of words to transform from en-AU to en-US as part of the "publication process" |
| 12:03 | <Lachy> | I do. It's my native spelling and my editors all have en-AU spell checkers. If I were to use en-US, it would make it more difficult and easier for spelling mistakes to slip through |
| 12:03 | <takkaria> | just pretend you're a toff and you refuse to speak in American when you go fox-hunting |
| 12:03 | <Hixie> | sadly for me my editors all have en-US spelling checkers, so that doesn't work for me :-) |
| 12:04 | <Hixie> | anyway, that's enough editing for a friday night |
| 12:04 | <Hixie> | more tomorrow probably |
| 12:04 | <Hixie> | nn |
| 13:24 | <annevk> | Hixie, "patter length" |
| 13:25 | <Lachy> | annevk, any thoughts about my @namespace proposal for selectors api? |
| 13:29 | <annevk> | it puts a dependency on CSS |
| 13:30 | <annevk> | also, it seems worse than my proposal |
| 13:30 | <annevk> | but it seems nobody is interested in mine |
| 13:41 | <Lachy> | what was your proposal? dropping it? |
| 13:41 | <annevk> | yes |
| 13:44 | <JohnResig> | weinig|zZz: I added the "circle1" that we talked about, last night |
| 14:15 | <annevk> | seems validator.nu is back up |
| 14:15 | <annevk> | the logo remind of V for Vendetta |
| 18:12 | <Lachy> | does anyone know if we have the use cases for scoped stylesheets documented anywhere? |
| 20:22 | <jgraham> | Lachy: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/StyleAttribute indirectly has some of the use cases for <style scoped> |