| 09:41 | <hsivonen> | hmm. it appears that Flash Player allows an .swf bug the user about localstorage until the user accepts |
| 09:41 | <hsivonen> | that is, if I deny, the confirmation dialog just pops up again |
| 09:42 | annevk2 | read that as ".swf bug" initially |
| 09:44 | <hsivonen> | asking for the confirmation is kinda pointless when the user is repeatedly tanted to allow anyway |
| 09:46 | <roc> | asking users for confirmation of anything in a modal way is pointeless |
| 10:21 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: I'd hope it was much improved :) |
| 10:24 | <hsivonen> | s/tanted/taunted/ |
| 10:24 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Feedback any time before I say to not bother is welcome, though :) |
| 12:12 | <erlehmann> | hsivonen: are you a dev ? or why do you use flash ? |
| 12:15 | <Dashiva> | Maybe dialog boxes need "I don't know" and "I don't care" buttons that do the sane thing |
| 12:16 | <Philip`> | Dashiva: Then they could remove all the other options and just leave "I don't know or care", and then they could automatically press that button for you and not have to show the dialog box at all |
| 12:17 | <Dashiva> | But expert uses know and care |
| 12:17 | <Dashiva> | *users |
| 12:18 | <Philip`> | They're far too much in the minority to be worth catering for |
| 12:19 | <Dashiva> | By themselves, maybe, but they also direct other users, like students taking a course or employees using a service. |
| 12:26 | <hsivonen> | erlehmann: I use Flash for watching Comedy Central content. |
| 12:27 | <erlehmann> | hsivonen: that fails at so many levels ... ;) |
| 12:35 | <hsivonen> | (my guess is that they use Flash local storage for keeping track of which ads they have shown to a given user) |
| 13:29 | <hsivonen> | something is wrong with the DNS server responsible for validator.nu |
| 13:45 | <deane> | hsivonen: @summary, @profile and @longdesc were never in HTML5, right? |
| 13:46 | <hsivonen> | deane: I think profile was in the draft at some point |
| 13:47 | <deane> | cool, thanks |
| 13:47 | <hsivonen> | deane: profile was in the draft on 24 February 2006 at least |
| 15:08 | <tusho> | http://camendesign.com/code/using-abbr is it just me or is this totally wrong. |
| 15:21 | <hasather> | tusho: it's not just you |
| 15:21 | <tusho> | :) |
| 15:21 | <tusho> | also the writing style is absolutely awful |
| 15:22 | <hsivonen> | why is it *totally* wrong? the main point makes sense |
| 15:22 | <tusho> | i couldn't read more than half of the article because of it which is why i resorted to asking ... ::P |
| 15:22 | <hsivonen> | the CSS example is questionable, though |
| 15:23 | <hasather> | hsivonen: I mostly looked at the examples. The spec says "The attribute, if specified, must contain an expansion of the abbreviation, and nothing else.". That is not what the author is doing |
| 15:23 | <Dashiva> | "When you read a bad document, you naturally expand the errors as appropriate in your mind." |
| 15:23 | <hasather> | hsivonen: that was about the title attribute of course |
| 15:23 | <tusho> | (heh -- from the writer's site: [['Webkit, like Gecko' in a user-agent is obscenely wrong. Why don’t user-agents say something meaningful, like “Acid 2”, “Acid 3”?]] ... the acid tests are great and all but it's not as if they'd be meaningful as a user agent string...) |
| 15:27 | <gsnedders> | tusho: Because then we're test sniffing and not UA sniffing@ |
| 15:27 | <gsnedders> | *! |
| 15:27 | <tusho> | gsnedders: Exactly... |
| 15:28 | <tusho> | And considering the Acid tests deliberately test non-standard stuff too... |
| 15:28 | <gsnedders> | tusho: Nononono, I mean, we're testing for capabilities! |
| 15:28 | <tusho> | gsnedders: i'm not sure what point you're trying to make as you're not making much sense to me :P |
| 15:29 | <Dashiva> | tusho: What non-standard stuff? |
| 15:29 | <gsnedders> | tusho: Me? Make sense? Why would I do that. |
| 15:29 | <tusho> | Dashiva: Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't acid3 test handling of invalid code? |
| 15:29 | <tusho> | & markup or whatever |
| 15:29 | <gsnedders> | I don't think so. Acid2 certainly does. |
| 15:30 | <Dashiva> | tusho: The handling is part of the standard, though. |
| 16:32 | <erlehmann> | <abbr title="does not equal">!=</abbr> LOLWTF |
| 17:39 | <tusho> | erlehmann: totally |
| 17:44 | <erlehmann> | can't someone update user-agent spec ? |
| 17:45 | <erlehmann> | like Engine / Version (Browser / Version) |
| 17:46 | <hasather> | erlehmann: there is no spec for that |
| 17:46 | <erlehmann> | hasather: then there should be. |
| 17:47 | <gsnedders> | erlehmann: stuff within parenthesis are comments |
| 17:47 | <gsnedders> | erlehmann: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.43 |
| 20:56 | <KrocCamen> | Hello all |
| 20:56 | <KrocCamen> | My access logs pointed to here, I wanted to find out more about questions that were brought up about my article. You're the experts, ne? :) |
| 21:02 | <svl> | KrocCamen: I think you want to look at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080928#l-124 |
| 21:03 | <KrocCamen> | That's what I'm doing; very surprising that Google caught that that quick, and yet it's live, I can even see my own messages in there; freaky O-o. I'd love to be able to answer questions people have about my article, and accept any feedback people have |
| 22:01 | <roc> | mmm |
| 22:01 | <roc> | pressure for permissive XML parsing |
| 22:01 | <gsnedders> | XML5! |
| 22:01 | <roc> | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174351 |
| 22:01 | <gsnedders> | I told annevk that I'd help with his current XML5 draft ages ago… |
| 22:03 | <gsnedders> | roc: With regards to that comment, IE is strict about it, WebKit trunk is too |
| 22:04 | <roc> | intriguing |
| 22:05 | <gsnedders> | (IE doesn't really support XHTML, so it doesn't happen in that example which obviously sends text/html to IE) |
| 22:05 | <gsnedders> | For generic XML and feeds it is strict, though |
| 22:05 | <roc> | would you mind commenting in the bug? |
| 22:05 | <roc> | I can parrot your comments but it sounds better first-hand |
| 22:05 | gsnedders | ought to be writing an English essay |
| 22:05 | <gsnedders> | But sure. :) |
| 22:06 | <roc> | then you shouldn't be hanging around on IRC! |
| 22:06 | <gsnedders> | True. |
| 22:06 | <roc> | thanks |
| 22:06 | <gsnedders> | But my English is terrible today :( |
| 22:07 | <KrocCamen> | gsnedders: Some strong advice here http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail64.html :) |
| 22:07 | <gsnedders> | KrocCamen: :P |
| 22:09 | <gsnedders> | roc: Need I really copy my comment starting with "IE doesn't really support…"? |
| 22:10 | <roc> | why not |
| 22:10 | <gsnedders> | I guess everyone will know |
| 22:10 | <gsnedders> | But hey, I don't care :P |
| 22:14 | <gsnedders> | roc: Will that comment do? |
| 22:15 | <roc> | yes, thanks |
| 22:15 | <gsnedders> | np |