| 08:40 | hsivonen | sees Ahem.ttf on android.git.kernel.org. Does Android ship with Ahem? |
| 12:09 | <jgraham> | hsivonen: If the doctype name is folded, is there any constraint on which way it should be folded? Fold-o-lowercase makes the most sense to me but isn't what Gecko does at the moment. |
| 12:09 | jgraham | is catching up with some of the email from the last month |
| 12:13 | <hsivonen> | jgraham: lower case seems more elegant and more sane when mapping to XML 1.0 but browser-wise, I'd just want to get an interned string |
| 12:13 | <jgraham> | hsivonen: OK. |
| 12:40 | <hsivonen> | heh. Geolocation is now seen as part of "html5" on twitter |
| 18:04 | <yecril71> | Microsoft Internet Explorer treats all unknown elements as empty. |
| 18:05 | <yecril71> | Only custom elements with namespace prefixes can contain other elements in the DOM. |
| 18:06 | <Philip`> | That's sort of true, except if you do document.createElement('foo') then it'll start parsing <foo> as non-empty |
| 18:07 | <Philip`> | i.e. <foo>a</foo><script>document.createElement('foo')</script><foo>b</foo> will produce an empty FOO element, then 'a', then an empty /FOO element, then a script element, then a foo element that contains 'b' |
| 18:07 | <yecril71> | That requires script support and does not work for restricted sites. |
| 18:07 | <Philip`> | Why would it be different in restricted sites? |
| 18:08 | <yecril71> | Because restricted sites do not allow scripts to run. |
| 18:08 | <Philip`> | Ah |
| 18:08 | <yecril71> | I know because I had to restrict several for my own use. |
| 18:09 | <yecril71> | Anyway, if the author wants arbitrary elements, he can use XML+CSS |
| 18:09 | <yecril71> | or XML+XSLT |
| 18:10 | <Philip`> | or a different browser |
| 18:10 | <yecril71> | There is no need to push them into HTML. |
| 18:10 | <yecril71> | The author surely can use a different browser. |
| 18:10 | <yecril71> | The problem is the viewer cannot. |
| 18:12 | Philip` | has to go away for a while |
| 18:13 | <Dashiva> | The combination of restricted site and restricted browser sounds like intranet |
| 18:16 | <yecril71> | Restricting sites is useful at home as well. |
| 18:17 | <yecril71> | Nobody likes the browser to hang in the middle of something. |
| 18:23 | <Dashiva> | There's no restriction on browsers at home, though. |
| 18:25 | <yecril71> | Internet Explorer has restricted zones. |
| 18:25 | <yecril71> | A site that belongs to a restricted zone is restricted. |
| 18:26 | <yecril71> | The decision on whether a site should be restricted is on the home user. |
| 18:41 | <Philip`> | If a user configures their browser so that some web sites stop working, that's the user's problem and it shouldn't be the authors' responsibility to cope with those atypical restrictions |
| 18:42 | <Philip`> | Is it just me, or is "Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: SPOOFED: Re: ---" a pretty rubbish subject line for an email thread? |
| 18:50 | <Lachy> | Philip`, the original message with the subject "[whatwg] ---" was even more rubbish |
| 18:53 | <Philip`> | Lachy: I disagree - I think the longer subject exhibits more of what kids nowadays would call "epic fail" than the original |
| 18:54 | <yecril71> | I think placing sites into the restricted zone is a typical setting. |
| 18:54 | <yecril71> | It is better to have them restricted than to have them break the browser. |
| 18:54 | <hsivonen> | hmm. Opera's "always standards mode" really means "map quirks to standards but keep almost standards as almost standards" |
| 18:55 | <Lachy> | the longer one is a result of poor spam filtering software and a lack of effort to manually clean it up, but the shorter one is a result of consiously using a bogus subject line |
| 18:57 | <yecril71> | The author�s responsibility is to publish valid content. |
| 18:58 | <yecril71> | Content that uses custom elements should remain invalid. |
| 19:00 | <yecril71> | "SPOOFED" means the presence of Envelope-Sender in this case. |
| 19:00 | <Philip`> | Lachy: So the shorter one is merely the result of consciously using a bogus subject line, whereas the longer one is a result of that plus poor spam filtering software plus another four authors who didn't bother fixing the subject and is therefore more rubbish |
| 19:01 | <yecril71> | It means WHATWG is posing as the author. |
| 19:02 | <Philip`> | That's because it's a pretty standard mailing list, so it's silly for a mail client to think that's a problem |
| 19:03 | <yecril71> | The world is a place of all sorts of weird things. |
| 19:03 | <Philip`> | That's what makes it interesting enough to bother living in :-) |