| 04:03 | <Hixie> | man comig up with good-sounding formal terminology is hard |
| 04:03 | <Hixie> | coming even |
| 04:04 | <Hixie> | at least, it's hard when you're defining the fifth or sixth term that means basically the same thing as the others |
| 04:04 | <Hixie> | i need a term for a conceptual group that is going to contain all the scripts run in the context of a document between calls to document.open() |
| 04:13 | <kfish> | oh, you mean a document.open() 'twixt run-group? |
| 04:14 | kfish | confuses "formal" with "archaic" |
| 04:18 | <MikeSmith> | +1 to kfish's 'twixt suggestion |
| 04:18 | <MikeSmith> | we need more quaint archaisms in specs |
| 04:19 | MikeSmith | is reminded of Frank Zappa's "Does Humor Belong in Music?".. |
| 04:19 | <MikeSmith> | Does Humor Belong in Standards? |
| 04:19 | <MikeSmith> | answer: Yes |
| 06:30 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: oh there's plenty of humour in html5 already |
| 06:31 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, I know -- in the examples in particular. moreso certainly in the environment surrounding the spec.. |
| 06:41 | <Hixie> | heh |
| 07:15 | <Hixie> | wow, someone just set himself up for a beating from the img-alt people |
| 07:15 | <Hixie> | in www-html |
| 11:44 | <Lachy> | othermaciej, yt? |
| 11:44 | <Lachy> | or weinig? |
| 12:53 | <annevk5> | http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/XFormsForHTML/index-all.html |
| 12:53 | <annevk5> | not published yet but will be published later or some such |
| 13:06 | <MikeSmith> | annevk5: I think it may just be the existing XForms Transitional doc under a new name |
| 13:06 | <annevk5> | no |
| 13:06 | <annevk5> | it uses xmlns="" and xmlns:my="" and such |
| 13:18 | <MikeSmith> | ah, OK |
| 14:44 | zcorpan | expects the forums to be spammed during christmas |
| 17:29 | <blooberry> | mikesmith: yt? |
| 17:35 | <MikeSmith> | blooberry: here now |
| 17:36 | <MikeSmith> | blooberry: I think the dev.opera MAMA table report actually has what I wanted |
| 17:36 | <MikeSmith> | I realize, after looking at it more |
| 17:37 | <MikeSmith> | I had been wanting to know if what the frequency was for the td/th axis attribute |
| 17:46 | <MikeSmith> | Philip` also helped me out on #html-wg with some data from his corpus, and URLs |
| 17:53 | Philip` | sees that his IE8 browser-freezing bug is now marked as "Won't Fix" |
| 18:04 | <blooberry> | mikesmith: cool. |
| 18:05 | MikeSmith | needs to read the MAMA CSS report when he can make time |
| 18:05 | <blooberry> | mikesmith: there's also the huge bare attribute list that is a lot harder to wade through |
| 18:05 | <blooberry> | the CSS aspect was not as full as I wanted it to be. I'm going to do pull out a lot more info in the next crawl |
| 18:06 | <Philip`> | I wish I knew how to use LVM, so I could give myself more disk space to store all this HTML analysis stuff |
| 18:09 | MikeSmith | goes to look again for the complete attributes list |
| 18:09 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: you need some "cloud computing" |
| 18:10 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: The problem is that that needs "money" |
| 18:10 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 18:11 | <MikeSmith> | hey, funny thing about the term "cloud computing" is that in kataka-ized Japanese, it and "crowd computing" sound exactly the same |
| 18:12 | <MikeSmith> | so I've had conversations here where the ambiguity of just what it's supposed to mean has made the discussion more interesting |
| 18:12 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: Anyway, I've got half a terabyte of disk available, so I don't need a cloud at all |
| 18:12 | <blooberry> | philip`: I need to work on the data storage aspect of MAMA |
| 18:12 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: no, you need the Cloud. Everybody needs the Cloud. The Cloud will save Us. |
| 18:12 | <Philip`> | I just need to work out how to expand my 32GB partition without accidentally destroying all my data |
| 18:12 | <MikeSmith> | the "wisdom of the cloud" |
| 18:13 | <Philip`> | blooberry: I'm using the approach of just saving every file I downloaded, and then running the analysis script lots of times to extract different data into giant XML files, and it works well enough for me :-) |
| 18:17 | <blooberry> | philip`: Do you store any of it in a database? Or just cache the page content locally? |
| 18:18 | <blooberry> | (I'd guess caching the page content) |
| 18:21 | <Philip`> | blooberry: For each page, I store a file {first two chars of hex MD5 of URI}/{hex MD5 of URI} containing the HTTP headers and the body bytes (using Java Serializable) |
| 18:22 | <Philip`> | and the list of URIs is a text file |
| 18:22 | <Philip`> | and that's about it |
| 18:26 | <Philip`> | (That's a really inefficient way to store stuff, because it involves a huge amount of disk seeking and reading in order to process pages) |
| 18:27 | <blooberry> | but disk space and personal computing cycles are "free" compared to "line expense" of getting the content over the Internet. |
| 18:28 | <Philip`> | (so I intended to write a new system that collects some number of pages into a single file, so it could read and process them all at once, and store them compressed) |
| 18:28 | <Philip`> | (but then I got bored and stopped working on it) |
| 18:30 | <Philip`> | blooberry: I'm not sure that's necessarily true - I think bandwidth usually costs somewhere roughly around $0.10 to $1 per GB, which is about the same as the cost of disk space |
| 18:34 | <Philip`> | The real limit is human (im)patience, which is why I care about the time taken to read all the data from disk and to process it :-) |
| 23:05 | <Lachy__> | hey, can anyone recommend a nice, reasonably priced hotel for me to stay in London? |