| 00:42 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: you still awake? |
| 00:47 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: Yes |
| 00:48 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: I'm getting an error from spec splitter, trying to figure out to fix it |
| 00:48 | <MikeSmith> | if e.getnext().tag == 'h2' and 'no-toc' not in (e.getnext().get('class') or '').split(' '): |
| 00:48 | <MikeSmith> | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'tag' |
| 00:48 | <MikeSmith> | I have lxml 2.something installed |
| 00:49 | <MikeSmith> | 2.1.3 |
| 00:55 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: What input are you using? |
| 00:55 | <MikeSmith> | my document-conformance draft |
| 00:56 | <Philip`> | Does it work if you run it with http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/source ? |
| 00:57 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: trying now |
| 00:58 | <MikeSmith> | no, I get: |
| 00:58 | <MikeSmith> | del short_header[3:] |
| 00:58 | <MikeSmith> | TypeError: 'NoneType' object does not support item deletion |
| 00:59 | <MikeSmith> | hmm, though it does work if I run it on the "index" file (instead of the "source" file) |
| 00:59 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: Oops |
| 00:59 | <Philip`> | I should have said index |
| 00:59 | <MikeSmith> | ? |
| 01:00 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, index file works |
| 01:01 | <Philip`> | If it doesn't work on your document, I guess your document is insufficiently similar to HTML5 |
| 01:01 | <Philip`> | but there's no kind of documentation or anything to describe what structure is expected |
| 01:02 | <Philip`> | For the original error you mentioned, it looks like that would only fail if it couldn't find an <h2> child of <body> that didn't have class=no-toc |
| 01:07 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: OK |
| 01:07 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: <h2> child of <body>, or <h2> descendant of <body>? |
| 01:08 | <MikeSmith> | oh |
| 01:08 | <Philip`> | MikeSmith: Child |
| 01:08 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, I see |
| 01:09 | <MikeSmith> | OK, I can see I'll need to mess around with it a bit to see if I can make it work with my doc |
| 01:10 | <Philip`> | It's not at all designed as a general purpose tool |
| 01:10 | <Philip`> | so it'll probably need various tweaks |
| 01:11 | <MikeSmith> | yep, I can see now from looking at the code.. But I don't think it'll be too much work to make the tweaks I need |
| 01:24 | <Hixie> | anyone seen aaronl recently? |
| 01:25 | <Hixie> | or know how to contact him? |
| 02:05 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie: Aaron Leventhal? |
| 02:06 | <Hixie> | yes |
| 02:06 | <MikeSmith> | you got his e-mail address? |
| 07:27 | <zcorpan_> | "While [noembed] can be positioned anywhere on the page, it is a good idea to include it as a child element of embed so that it is clear to assistive technologies that a text alternative is associated with the embed element it describes." -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H46.html |
| 07:29 | <zcorpan_> | >Editorial Note: Is it true that noembed can go either beside or inside embed? Is there a preference? |
| 07:29 | <zcorpan_> | <embed> is an EMPTY element type, just like <img>. It can't have any contents. -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2005Nov/0009.html |
| 07:29 | <heycam> | zcorpan_, and the point is the <embed> is an empty element, so can't have children? |
| 07:29 | <zcorpan_> | the point is they ignored my comment |
| 07:29 | <heycam> | :( |
| 07:29 | <heycam> | is that the final version of that document? |
| 07:30 | <zcorpan_> | yes, it's a REC now |
| 07:30 | <heycam> | that one you linked to is a NOTE though, so perhaps that can be updated easily |
| 07:31 | <zcorpan_> | maybe |
| 08:59 | <othermaciej> | this is a nice article: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/5_exciting_things_in_html_5.php |
| 08:59 | <othermaciej> | (which probably most here have seen already) |
| 09:43 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: pms.n should have the laetst anolis now |
| 10:37 | <jgraham> | Totally the wrong pklace to ask but does anyone have any ideas why I can't run Firefox 2 under Ubuntu 8.10 (it dies when trying to show the main window with an unhelpful X11 error; the profilemanager window appears fine) |
| 10:48 | <Lachy> | jgraham, is it possible the profile its using is corrupt in some way? have you tried creating a new profile and running it? |
| 10:49 | <Lachy> | usually, whenever I get Firefox crashing regularly, it's because there's something wrong with the profile |
| 10:55 | <Philip`> | My router's configuration interface says: <tr> <script language="javascript">document.write('<td onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='+mouseover+'" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='+mouseout+'" onclick=parent.location.href="/status.stm">');</script> <a class="section" href="sindex.stm" target="main1"><p class=p1>Security</p></a> </td> </tr> |
| 10:55 | <Philip`> | which is fun |
| 11:00 | <Philip`> | Also it doesn't work in Opera - something to do with changing two frames' location simultaneously when you click causes it to not load sindex.stm (and therefore it's impossible to access the Security section) |
| 11:03 | <Lachy> | Philip`, please file a bug about that |
| 11:04 | Philip` | will have to try to produce a reproducible test case, and is too lazy to do that right now |
| 11:07 | <Lachy> | Philip`, just make your router config page publicly accessible and I could do that from here :-) |
| 11:08 | <Philip`> | Lachy: I would be happy to do that, but I can't get to the configuration page that lets me make it publicly accessible :-p |
| 11:08 | Philip` | will look at it later today anyway |
| 12:29 | <jgraham> | Lachy: Yes, I tried that |
| 13:02 | <Philip`> | Hmm, I can't work out how to reproduce the router's behaviour in Firefox |
| 13:04 | <Lachy> | is that because Firefox doesn't suffer from the same bug as Opera, or is it returning different pages to it or something? |
| 13:06 | <jgraham> | Lachy: Did you have an archive of the whole acid 3 test somewhere? |
| 13:06 | <Lachy> | jgraham, yeah, on Opera's t server |
| 13:06 | <Lachy> | I think that one might be a little out of date though. |
| 13:07 | <Philip`> | Lachy: I mean I'm trying to make a simplified test case based on the HTML that the router serves (to Firefox, but I don't think it varies between UAs), but it doesn't have the same behaviour in Firefox that the real router's HTML has |
| 13:08 | <Lachy> | jgraham, see t/core/standards/acid3/ |
| 13:08 | <jgraham> | Lachy: Thanks |
| 13:09 | <Lachy> | jgraham, I'll update it now to the latest version. Just give me a few minutes |
| 13:14 | <Lachy> | jgraham, the test has been updated |
| 13:28 | <zcorpan> | http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3Cscript%3E%0Afor%20(var%20i%20%3D%201%3B%20i%20%3C%200xFFFF%3B%20%2B%2Bi)%0Atry%20%7B%0A%20eval(%22var%22%20%2B%20String.fromCharCode(i)%20%2B%20%22x%22%20%2B%20i%20%2B%20%22%3D%5C%22%5C%22%3Bw(x%22%20%2B%20i%20%2B%20%22%2B%22%20%2B%20i%20%2B%20%22)%22)%0A%7D%20catch(e)%20%7B%0A%7D%0A%3C%2Fscript%3E (may take long time to run) |
| 13:31 | <wilhelm_> | http://people.opera.com/wilhelmja/nested-form.html <- what is correct behaviour here? Firefox submits with both buttons. Opera does not. |
| 13:33 | <olliej> | wilhelm_: webkit appears to only submit on the first |
| 13:33 | <Lachy> | wilhelm_, Firefox 3 doesn't submit with the second button |
| 13:33 | <Lachy> | the reason is because of the way nested forms are parsed |
| 13:33 | <Lachy> | if you look at the DOM, you'll see that the second button isn't within the form |
| 13:35 | <Lachy> | wilhelm_, http://james.html5.org/cgi-bin/parsetree/parsetree.py?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.opera.com%2Fwilhelmja%2Fnested-form.html |
| 13:36 | <wilhelm_> | Indeed. Firefox did submit with both buttons a few changes ago, though. Looks like I reduced the test too much. (c: |
| 13:36 | wilhelm_ | looks at it again. |
| 13:40 | <jgraham> | Hmm the HTML5 spec still defines the form elment pointer but doesn't seem to use it anywhere |
| 13:42 | <wilhelm_> | There. Reload and try again now. Firefox submits on button 2, Opera does not. |
| 13:42 | <wilhelm_> | (I removed a <div> too much :) |
| 13:44 | <olliej> | wilhelm_: webkit submits on both |
| 13:45 | <jgraham> | I guess IE submits on both? |
| 13:47 | <Lachy> | jgraham, yes, IE and Opera give the same results as each other, and Firefox and Webkit give the opposite result |
| 13:47 | <wilhelm_> | IE6 gives the same result as Opera. |
| 13:48 | <Lachy> | if the html5lib parse tree viewer is giving the correct result, then Opera matches HTML5. |
| 13:49 | <jgraham> | Lachy: I was more concerned that HTML5 might be wrong :) |
| 13:49 | <Lachy> | IE8's DOM includes the second submit button within the form, but still doesn't let it submit it |
| 13:49 | <jgraham> | If HTML5 matches IE then it seems OK |
| 13:50 | <Lachy> | IE's behaviour is buggy, so HTML5 shouldn't match it |
| 13:50 | <jgraham> | Lachy: Not IE8, IE6 (in this case) |
| 13:50 | <Lachy> | jgraham, oh, ok. I don't have IE6 to test with, so I don't know what it's result is |
| 13:51 | <wilhelm_> | Lachy: IE6 and IE7 do not submit #2. |
| 13:53 | <Lachy> | ok, that matches the IE8 result, and Opera, so that's good enough |
| 13:54 | <wilhelm_> | Yep. Answers my question. I was wondering if we were doing something wrong here. (c: |
| 14:04 | <zcorpan> | http://simon.html5.org/dump/ecmascript-whitespace.txt |
| 15:36 | <zcorpan> | hmm. a multiline comment in ecmascript is considered a linebreak for the purposes of semicolon insertion |
| 15:36 | <zcorpan> | although ie and webkit don't get that right |
| 16:32 | <Philip`> | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/5_exciting_things_in_html_5.php#comment-120375 - "It's possible to write in HTML5 now if you ignore IE's inabilty to render XML properly. I've wrote 3 sites in it now, http://ortatherox.com is a pretty good example." |
| 16:32 | <Philip`> | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">; ... ... ... <section> <h1>Current projects:</h1><br/><br/> <projectdump> <article ...> <info ...> ... </info> <img .../> </article> <article ...> ... |
| 16:32 | <Philip`> | Hmm, that doesn't look quite right to me |
| 16:40 | <jgraham> | Philip`: About half the comments on that article appear to be utterly clueless |
| 16:42 | <Philip`> | jgraham: Only half? That's pretty good :-) |
| 16:50 | <jgraham> | Philip`: I don't think I said otherwise :) |
| 17:00 | <erlehmann> | well, firefox doesn't even display the <footer> element on my blog |
| 17:01 | <erlehmann> | comments ? the article is failing itself - code as graphics, yay ! |
| 17:02 | <erlehmann> | because marking it up is SCIENCE |
| 17:04 | <erlehmann> | the table and pie chart relation is fun, though ;) |
| 17:24 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: yt? |
| 19:19 | <Hixie> | jgraham: the form element pointer is used |
| 20:32 | gsnedders | has Safari hang while trying to copy too much, and loses a draft post |
| 21:51 | <Hixie> | jgraham: yt? |
| 21:52 | <Hixie> | nm |