| 00:08 | <Philip`> | XHTML seems to have had a pretty significant detrimental effect on people's understanding of HTML syntax |
| 00:09 | <Philip`> | It used to be all nice and easy - you wrote <FONT></FONT> and you wrote <BR> and you just had to remember the handful of elements in the latter set |
| 00:30 | <gsnedders> | HAPPY NEW YEAR! |
| 00:30 | <gsnedders> | takkaria: I can verify it is 2009 in Scotland :) |
| 00:37 | gsnedders | looks from side to side of his monitor |
| 00:38 | <gsnedders> | On one side, takkaria wishing happy new year; on the other, takkaria wishing no-one a happy new year. |
| 00:38 | gsnedders | can't cope with this contradiction and his to make it known publicly ;p |
| 00:58 | <Philip`> | Hooray for popup EULAs, that are shown only once to each user (using the Windows registry to remember if it's been shown), on a program that I want to run as the SYSTEM user via a Windows service, which is user you cannot log in as while using an interactive terminal |
| 00:58 | <Philip`> | and therefore it's impossible to accept the EULA |
| 00:59 | <jcranmer> | just modify the registry |
| 01:00 | <Philip`> | That's what I'll do once I work out where the SYSTEM user's registry entries are |
| 01:01 | <Philip`> | It must be one of the S-1-50-{...} things, but I have no idea which :-/ |
| 01:01 | <Philip`> | s/0// |
| 01:03 | <Philip`> | Ah, right, it's S-1-5-18 |
| 01:03 | <Philip`> | How obvious |
| 01:03 | <gsnedders> | Duh. |
| 01:11 | <Philip`> | Also: the inability to copy-and-paste passwords into the Windows login prompt via rdesktop is annoying, because I didn't discover that until after I'd set a rather long password :-( |
| 08:38 | <heycam> | Hixie, regarding changing all instances of DOMObject to any, HTMLCanvasElement::getContext seems like one that should still be an object |
| 08:38 | <heycam> | i don't see how that could ever usefully return a non-object value |
| 08:39 | <heycam> | also, i'd suggest just using Object rather than DOMObject... there doesn't seem to be any advantage to using a typedef named DOMObject |
| 08:41 | <Hixie> | well it's also not ever going to return a Node... |
| 08:42 | <Hixie> | so limiting it to just Objects seems a bit arbitrary almost |
| 08:44 | <heycam> | some language bindings may have to handle "any" values differently from Object |
| 08:45 | <heycam> | for ES it's no problem, obviously |
| 08:45 | heycam | shrugs |
| 08:45 | <heycam> | it's not that important |
| 08:45 | <heycam> | what's the deal with "attribute DOMString accept-charset;" ? |
| 08:46 | <heycam> | on HTMLFormElement |
| 08:46 | <Hixie> | typo; please send mail :-) |
| 08:46 | <Hixie> | mention the getContext() thing too, i'll change it back |
| 08:46 | <heycam> | k |
| 08:47 | <heycam> | btw, if i send mail to public-html, is it guaranteed to end up in your issues page? |
| 08:47 | <heycam> | since i sent a mail a month ago or so, and it didn't appear in that list or get replied to |
| 08:48 | <Hixie> | uri? |
| 08:49 | <Hixie> | is lists.w3.org down again? |
| 08:49 | <heycam> | apparently :/ |
| 08:49 | <heycam> | http://markmail.org/message/4mtol7izork2354k |
| 08:50 | <Hixie> | oh i saw that one |
| 08:50 | <heycam> | oh, k |
| 08:50 | <heycam> | couldn't find it in the list |
| 08:50 | <Hixie> | it's in the WF2 folder |
| 08:51 | <heycam> | ah, thanks |
| 08:51 | <heycam> | be good if you could search that list, given they're not all expanded to do a ctrl+f on |
| 08:53 | <Hixie> | Philip` has a static version of it |
| 08:53 | <Hixie> | that google can search |
| 08:59 | <Hixie> | Steven Gilborn |
| 08:59 | <Hixie> | er |
| 08:59 | <Hixie> | wrong channel |
| 09:10 | <heycam> | Hixie, what's the [XXX] on the ModalWindow interface for? |
| 09:33 | <Hixie> | the no interface thingy, i expect |
| 09:34 | <heycam> | ok. just checking that it's not some other missing web idl feature. |
| 09:41 | <Hixie> | i have like 100 idl-related e-mails to deal with |
| 09:41 | <Hixie> | so the idl blocks are way out of date |
| 09:47 | <heycam> | righto |
| 13:45 | <gsnedders> | Man. |
| 13:45 | <gsnedders> | Weather forecasts keep changing. |
| 17:27 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: http://www.w3.org/People/EM/contact#me is not an NS URI :-) |
| 17:28 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: the example is saying that Eric Miller is cat Hedral |
| 17:28 | hsivonen | wonders how the Semantic Web deals if someone asserts that someone else is a cat |
| 17:29 | <Dashiva> | They go about their business, with the added knowledge that someone is a cat |
| 17:31 | <Philip`> | You look in your FOAF social network to decide whether you should trust the person making the assertion |
| 17:32 | <Dashiva> | Trust? Why would anyone make a non-true assertion? |
| 17:33 | <hsivonen> | how does one distinguish between assertions about a person and assertions about a fragment in the person's file? |
| 17:33 | <hsivonen> | s/file/resource representation/ |
| 17:33 | <webben> | Shouldn't you chaps just accept the fact that Eric Miller is a cat? |
| 17:33 | <hsivonen> | s/person's/person's FOAF/ |
| 17:33 | <Dashiva> | webben: That's what I'm saying |
| 17:38 | <gsnedders> | Anyone here from around Edinburgh? |
| 17:38 | <gsnedders> | Or, more relevantly, in Edinburgh on Saturday? |
| 18:27 | karlcow | recommends the channels #swig to hsivonen |
| 18:28 | <karlcow> | asserting that a thing is another thing is not an issue. It all depends on the context. And yes lies are already part of human languages mechanisms for ages. And that is fine. |
| 18:29 | <karlcow> | and useful in some circumstances. |
| 18:30 | <hsivonen> | karlcow: the example in the spec should probably not use a URI claimed by a W3C staff member, though. |
| 18:42 | Philip` | gets confused for moments, and wonders why the Simplified Wrapper and Interface Generator's IRC channel would be relevant |
| 22:10 | <hsivonen> | http://www.zeldman.com/2009/01/01/an-event-apart-redesigned/ |
| 22:11 | <Dashiva> | "Eric chose HTML 5 because it permits any element to be an HREF" |
| 22:12 | <Dashiva> | Did I miss that? |
| 22:12 | <hsivonen> | perhaps I should redesign my site. The style sheet dates from the Netscape 4 days |
| 22:17 | <Hixie> | sure wish people would tell me when we made decisions like that |
| 22:17 | <Hixie> | :-P |
| 22:18 | <Dashiva> | Maybe you did it in your sleep |
| 22:19 | <Hixie> | i went to sleep because comcast went out |
| 22:19 | <Hixie> | and woke up when my ping -a started beeping |
| 22:19 | <Hixie> | so seems unlikely! |
| 22:35 | <Philip`> | Perhaps he meant "it permits any element to be in an A HREF", which sounds more plausible? |
| 22:48 | <jcranmer> | "And we're expecting regular authors to usethis stuff? Sheesh." :-) |
| 22:49 | <gsnedders> | I think the real issue is Hixie isn't as good as most regular authors. |
| 22:49 | <jcranmer> | seeing gsnedders talk makes me feel old |
| 22:50 | <gsnedders> | jcranmer: Why? :\ |
| 22:50 | <jcranmer> | gsnedders: you're younger than I |
| 22:50 | <gsnedders> | jcranmer: And that's all it takes!? |
| 22:50 | <jcranmer> | I don't expect to see people younger than I doing serious work on specs |
| 22:50 | <jcranmer> | not when I'm only a freshman in college... |
| 22:51 | <gsnedders> | :P |
| 23:07 | <Philip`> | http://www.aneventapart.com/contact/ - a sadly missed opportunity for <input type="email"> |
| 23:28 | <gsnedders> | jcranmer: Well, Aaron Swartz beat me |