| 02:28 | <Hixie> | i don't understand why it is so hard for people to explain what rdfa is good for without actually describing rdf |
| 02:39 | <jcranmer> | what's the difference? |
| 02:44 | <dglazkov> | one is a format, the other one is a concept |
| 03:11 | <Hixie> | jcranmer: i don't understand why it is so hard for people to explain what rdfa is good for without actually describing rdfa either |
| 03:12 | <Hixie> | jcranmer: that is, people keep describing the solution they want, without saying what the problem they want to solve is |
| 03:12 | <jcranmer> | here's the problem RDFa solves: |
| 03:12 | <jcranmer> | there's obviously not enough RDF in the world! |
| 11:29 | <Hixie> | "Every element in the text/html serialization has unique treatment. They can often be grouped in to like elements [...]" |
| 11:29 | <Hixie> | I don't think that word ("unique") means what he thinks it means... |
| 11:48 | <Lachy> | Hixie, who is that quote from? |
| 12:16 | <takkaria> | RB, I believe |
| 12:33 | <Philip`> | http://girtby.net/archives/2009/01/11/they-dont-call-it-hardware-for-nothing/ is probably the first web page I've ever seen where I'd expect <aside> to be a useful element |
| 12:33 | <Philip`> | although by "useful element" I just mean "different way of spelling <div class='aside'>" |
| 13:37 | <Philip`> | Has anyone made a tool that automatically translates IPA pronunciations into a human-readable form? |
| 15:59 | <webben> | Philip`: I wonder if any of these notations are human-friendly: http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ssb22/gradint/lexconvert.html |
| 18:21 | <hsivonen> | dotted borders with radius suck in both Gecko and WebKit but in different ways :-( |
| 18:37 | <hsivonen> | wow. Windows 7 beta doesn't ship with software necessary for viewing YouTube. |
| 18:37 | <hsivonen> | Just like Linux distros. |
| 18:37 | <hsivonen> | I guess it leaves OS X as the only desktop OS that works with YouTube out-of-the-box |
| 18:37 | <Dashiva> | hsivonen: Does it have silverlight? |
| 18:40 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: looks like it doesn't |
| 18:40 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: or at least silverlight.net viewed in IE8 asks me to install Silverlight to better experience the site |
| 19:30 | <gsnedders> | Recommendations for Windows email clients? |
| 19:34 | <Lachy> | gsnedders, Thunderbird or Opera |
| 19:34 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: SSH and Pine |
| 19:40 | <jcranmer> | as a totally unbiased observer |
| 19:40 | <jcranmer> | Thunderbird |
| 19:40 | <jcranmer> | :-) |
| 19:40 | <Dashiva> | They all suck |
| 19:40 | <jcranmer> | (I develop on Mozilla's mailnews codebase) |
| 19:40 | <Dashiva> | Every client on every OS! |
| 19:40 | <webben> | Thunderbird and Mail are almost bearable. |
| 19:41 | webben | hasn't tried Pine or whatever that new Pine variant's called, though. |
| 19:41 | <jcranmer> | webben: apline? |
| 19:41 | <jcranmer> | er, apline? |
| 19:41 | <webben> | that's the one |
| 19:41 | <Philip`> | Alpine? :-p |
| 19:41 | <jcranmer> | dammit |
| 19:41 | <jcranmer> | why do I keep misspelling it? |
| 19:41 | <webben> | http://www.washington.edu/alpine/ |
| 19:41 | <Dashiva> | You're using to typing application! |
| 19:42 | Philip` | has never used any text-mode mail client, and just sticks with Thunderbird since it's easy enough to use and has a button for "reply" which is about the only one he ever needs |
| 19:42 | <jcranmer> | don't forget the N key! |
| 19:43 | <jcranmer> | occasionally I have to mark as junk, but server-side spam filters are doing good right now |
| 19:44 | <Dashiva> | jcranmer: How about making the "not junk" button put stuff back where it was? :) |
| 19:44 | <jcranmer> | hey, I don't do UI |
| 19:44 | <jcranmer> | right now I'm mired in code so deep that trying to get the UI would require walking back through fifteen classes |
| 19:45 | <Dashiva> | I'm sure the UI has a pretty straight path into the core for that functionality |
| 19:45 | <Philip`> | jcranmer: I have no idea what the N key does, and I don't want to press it in case it's "nuke mail database" or something like that |
| 19:45 | <jcranmer> | no, it's "Next message" |
| 19:45 | <Philip`> | Oh, okay |
| 19:45 | jcranmer | kills the person who made the G action nonreversible |
| 19:45 | <Philip`> | I just use the space bar mostly |
| 19:45 | <Dashiva> | jcranmer: Is your kill nonreversible too? |
| 19:46 | <Lachy> | jcranmer, what's the G action? |
| 19:46 | <jcranmer> | Group By sort |
| 19:46 | <jcranmer> | Dashiva: you have to hit up and then K again, generally |
| 19:46 | <jcranmer> | assuming you didn't switch to a different folder/newsgroup |
| 19:47 | jcranmer | also uses K heavily thanks to some spam-infested newsgroups |
| 19:48 | <Lachy> | oh, that's quite useful. I need to use that more often |
| 19:48 | <Lachy> | (I'm referring to 'G') |
| 19:48 | <Lachy> | is K delete? |
| 19:48 | <jcranmer> | kill thread |
| 19:48 | <jcranmer> | delete is <Del>, of course |
| 19:49 | Lachy | tries that on some threads in my junk folder |
| 19:49 | <jcranmer> | it only works in newsgroups, unfortunately |
| 19:49 | <jcranmer> | the K key |
| 19:49 | <Lachy> | oh |
| 19:49 | <Lachy> | that's why it did nothing |
| 19:50 | <jcranmer> | kill thread actually just ignores it so it doesn't generally appear in UI |
| 19:50 | <hsivonen> | Wow. U. of Washingon itself fixed the license finally |
| 19:50 | <jcranmer> | there's no way to delete newsgroup messages from the local db since <Del> is remapped to Cancel instead of Delete ... |
| 19:50 | <jcranmer> | (as well as other UI for `Delete') |
| 19:53 | <Philip`> | Is it just me, or does Opera render any text typed into the search box on http://www.notebookreview.com/ entirely invisibly? |
| 19:54 | <Dashiva> | http://www.isitjustmeordoesoperarenderanytexttypedintothesearchboxinvisible.com/notebookreview.com/ |
| 19:55 | <Dashiva> | No, it seems the box doesn't take focus at all |
| 19:56 | <Lachy> | Philip`, file a bug about that |
| 19:56 | <Philip`> | I can type into the box and press enter to search for what I typed |
| 19:57 | <Philip`> | I just can't see anything in the box |
| 19:57 | <Philip`> | Lachy: I'm too lazy to do that today, so it'll have to wait until later |
| 19:58 | <Lachy> | ok. I'll file a bug tomorrow morning |
| 19:58 | <Lachy> | I could do it now, but I'm too tired |
| 19:59 | <Philip`> | Thanks, I was hoping you'd say something like that ;-) |
| 19:59 | <Lachy> | that party I went to last night was fun, but exhausting. I've done almost nothing but sleep today |
| 20:43 | <csarven> | If <aside> is to say "sidebar", then would <section> be to distinct components in that sidebar? e.g., <aside><section>Related content ..</section> <section>Tagcloud ..</section></aside> |
| 20:43 | <Lachy> | csarven, you could do that if you wanted |
| 20:44 | <csarven> | Thanks. |
| 20:45 | <csarven> | I'm actually using class="aside" and class="section" *for now* but still wanted to keep the same meaning and pattern. |
| 20:53 | <Lachy> | I'm playing with the Windows 7 public beta. I've noticed te task bar is becoming a lot closer in functionality to the OS X Dock |
| 20:54 | <Lachy> | and, AFAICT, they've dropped the Glass theme from Vista entirely |
| 20:55 | <sid0> | er, no, they haven't |
| 20:55 | <sid0> | you probably need a graphics driver update |
| 20:55 | <Lachy> | then I wonder why I can't see it then. I'm running the 64 bit edition in VMWare |
| 20:56 | <sid0> | "in VMWare" -- that's the reason |
| 20:56 | <sid0> | vmware isn't hardware accelerated |
| 20:56 | <Lachy> | oh |
| 20:56 | <sid0> | and the new taskbar has a lot of niceties in glass mode that aren't there with the dock |
| 20:58 | <Lachy> | ok. Maybe I'll have to install it onto a spare partition on my old PC or setup BootCamp on my iMac |
| 21:03 | <hsivonen> | the system tray icons in Windows 7 have regressed to 1980s |
| 21:04 | <Lachy> | hsivonen, LOL |
| 21:04 | <Lachy> | yeah, they are pretty bad |