| 00:00 | <Philip`> | sayrer: http://www.google.com/search?q=google+code+stats gave me the right result after only six guesses at the search string |
| 00:00 | annevk | just remembers URLs |
| 00:00 | <sayrer> | I couldn't remember "stats" |
| 00:00 | <sayrer> | thanks |
| 00:00 | <Philip`> | (There's quite a few other places with other stats from different (and more recent) data sets) |
| 00:02 | <Philip`> | ((and more verifiable and reproducible)) |
| 00:05 | <weinig> | Lachy: thanks |
| 00:05 | <karlcow> | gsnedders: the person to ask if there is a client for APP on the mac could be ado = aadrian = kungfootv (on twitter) Ecto developer |
| 00:13 | <Philip`> | Hixie: "I welcome suggestions for making them more obvious. Not sure how to do it." - text-decoration:blink ? |
| 00:15 | <Hixie> | for various reasons i won't go into, "obvious" is not the only constraint |
| 00:15 | <Hixie> | so i hope you'll understand if i ignore your suggestion |
| 00:15 | <Hixie> | but thanks! |
| 00:15 | <Philip`> | No problem |
| 00:31 | annevk | doesn't get the joke on intertwingly.net |
| 00:38 | <gsnedders> | karlcow: I want to go to a city and do that now :) |
| 00:51 | <karlcow> | :) |
| 01:35 | <rubys> | Philip`: you there? |
| 01:53 | <rubys> | anyway, if you read these logs later, it looks like Jacques Distler is taunting you: http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/code/instiki/svn/revision/301 |
| 02:54 | jwalden | kicks xhr repeatedly |
| 02:55 | jwalden | snickers at the distler URL |
| 03:15 | <jcranmer> | jwalden: your nick is too close to someone else I know... |
| 03:16 | <jwalden> | ? |
| 03:16 | jcranmer | mistook jwalden for someone else at first glance |
| 06:14 | jwalden | wonders why the topic had to be set, after remaining constant for ages |
| 09:18 | <Philip`> | rubys: I wasn't here, but am now |
| 09:19 | <Philip`> | but you were here and now you're not |
| 11:34 | <annevk> | hmm, DreamHost moved my server and now all my sites are offline |
| 11:34 | <annevk> | wtf |
| 11:36 | <Philip`> | annevk: Seems like the IP changed |
| 11:36 | <Philip`> | which seems an unexpected thing to do to a server |
| 11:40 | <Philip`> | Oh wait, I'm probably misinterpreting all the numbers |
| 11:40 | <annevk> | no you're not |
| 11:40 | <annevk> | they moved my stuff to a new server |
| 11:41 | Philip` | never worked out how Dreamhost's naming system worked, or what servers are connected to what other servers |
| 11:41 | <annevk> | I said it wrong |
| 11:41 | <annevk> | however, that still doesn't explain why everything is gone |
| 11:42 | <annevk> | I e-mailed support, but given the time in the US I suppose it might take a while :/ |
| 11:42 | <Philip`> | I can still log in to alameda.dreamhost.com and see the philip.html5.org files |
| 11:42 | Philip` | doesn't know how that corresponds to the web server which should be serving those files |
| 11:44 | <annevk> | per the e-mail we're now on hobgoblin |
| 11:48 | <Philip`> | Hmm, so there's copies of the files on (at least) two servers |
| 11:48 | <Philip`> | Seemingly distinct copies, too |
| 11:48 | <Philip`> | which is a bit confusing |
| 11:50 | <annevk> | ugh |
| 11:52 | <annevk> | the claim is indeed that I use 0GB of hobgoblin |
| 12:02 | <Philip`> | I have pretty much the same files on both - the only difference is that the httpd logs have diverged |
| 12:03 | <annevk> | k |
| 12:03 | <Philip`> | Oh, and there's no Maildir on hobgoblin |
| 14:53 | <Philip`> | Hixie: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/status-documentation.html is sent as text/plain |
| 15:04 | <gsnedders> | We need Content-Type sniffing because people can't configure their servers correctly. |
| 15:04 | <gsnedders> | s/people/Hixie/, s/their/his/ |
| 15:12 | <annevk> | seems sites are back up, nice |
| 15:17 | <annevk> | not really clear how to retract my support request |
| 15:17 | <annevk> | oh well |
| 15:17 | <annevk> | ah, it's under "contact support" rather than "support history" |
| 15:22 | <Philip`> | http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55527 - 'onClick="javascript: ..."' - it's lucky that JS supports that syntax |
| 15:36 | <gsnedders> | Wow. I wonder when I last used the kbd element |
| 15:46 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: ping |
| 15:48 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: http://hg.gsnedders.com/anolis/log/294 |
| 16:17 | Philip` | tries to work out whether a program that includes some CC-by-sa music would have to be distributed as CC-by-sa itself, but it seems somewhat non-obvious whether that's the case :-( |
| 18:56 | <crackpod> | Hey, is someone from html5lib here? |
| 18:57 | <gsnedders> | crackpod: That depends on what you want to ask :) |
| 18:57 | <crackpod> | Well, I'm using the beautifulsoup treebuilder |
| 18:58 | <crackpod> | And I wondered if there was a way to use the Tag class from the BeautifulSoup module |
| 18:58 | <gsnedders> | Well, don't ask me then. |
| 18:58 | <crackpod> | :D |
| 18:58 | Philip` | runs away at the mention of Beautiful Soup |
| 18:58 | <gsnedders> | crackpod: Catch Philip`. |
| 18:58 | crackpod | catches Philip` |
| 18:58 | <crackpod> | got'cha |
| 18:58 | <Philip`> | (I fixed a few bugs in it once, and that was enough :-) ) |
| 18:58 | <crackpod> | :D |
| 18:58 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: You have more to do with it than me :P |
| 18:59 | <crackpod> | Actually I just wondered if I had access to BeautifulSoup.Tag when using html5lib |
| 18:59 | <Philip`> | ((In html5lib's code that uses it, I mean)) |
| 18:59 | <crackpod> | Since I can use the normal tree-structure I thought that was likely |
| 19:00 | <Philip`> | crackpod: Uh, I'm not sure what BeautifulSoup.Tag is |
| 19:00 | <gsnedders> | crackpod: Here's my advice: don't use BeautifulSoup. |
| 19:00 | <crackpod> | lol |
| 19:00 | <Philip`> | If it's just a class or something, you ought to be able to use it the same as in any other code that uses BS, I guess |
| 19:00 | <crackpod> | Oke, I think I'll just import BeautifulSoup manually then, wasn't that important anyways |
| 19:01 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: Everything is "just a class or something". |
| 19:01 | <crackpod> | gsnedders, I think BS is rather good |
| 19:01 | <gsnedders> | Unless you can be a class _and_ something… |
| 19:01 | <gsnedders> | Hmm… |
| 19:01 | <crackpod> | Well good enough for a crackhead (<- I am) |
| 19:01 | <crackpod> | Ehrm I'm not :D |
| 19:02 | <gsnedders> | Lies, damned lies and statistics. |
| 19:02 | <crackpod> | I'm just german and trying to find the right expression for "Spinner" |
| 19:02 | <crackpod> | well anyways |
| 19:02 | <crackpod> | thanks for your help |
| 19:03 | <gsnedders> | HTML 5 would be so much easier to read if you did `rm source header-whatwg header-w3c; touch source header-whatwg header-w3c` |
| 19:03 | <crackpod> | :D |
| 19:03 | <gsnedders> | (And then re-gened the spec) |
| 19:07 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: Um, what's that huge long @title on the header of Web Socket protocol? |
| 20:10 | <Philip`> | Is anyone going to tell Michael Ball that <!doctype html5> triggers quirks mode in Firefox? |
| 20:12 | <gsnedders> | I wondered about it, but couldn't remember which browser it was, so didn't |
| 23:24 | <annevk> | Philip`, that doesn't really seem the right argument against his general point |
| 23:25 | <annevk> | Philip`, it only points out why the syntax doesn't work, not why the idea of having a number there is wrong |
| 23:58 | <Lachy> | I updated the FAQ's DOCTYPE question. http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_will_the_DOCTYPE_be.3F |
| 23:59 | <Lachy> | I also added another about when using a DOCTYPE in XHTML is reasonable |