| 00:02 | <TabAtkins> | gsnedders: Is there some pun involved? If not, then pass. |
| 00:03 | <gsnedders> | Just the new web, and web.nu is taken |
| 00:22 | gsnedders | ponders dropping full support for his blog for anything that doesn't support CSS 2.1 |
| 00:23 | <TabAtkins> | Thumbs up from me. |
| 00:24 | TabAtkins | is finding <time> useful just as a justifiable styling hook. |
| 00:24 | <TabAtkins> | Though I am getting legitimate use out of it too. Would be better if it stored a unix timestamp, but we can't all be perfect. |
| 00:24 | <gsnedders> | But some of the more eccentric things I'd like to use aren't impl in Gecko |
| 00:25 | <TabAtkins> | As long as it's still readable in gecko, it's cool. |
| 00:25 | <TabAtkins> | Anne's blog doesn't work right outside of Opera. |
| 00:25 | <gsnedders> | Anne's blog doesn't work right _in_ Opera |
| 00:25 | <TabAtkins> | Really? Heh, I assumed that he'd been using opera features. |
| 00:26 | <gsnedders> | Nah, he's just deliberately using things browsers don't support so he can make them site compat. bugs to try and get them fixed quicker than just standards bugs :) |
| 00:26 | <TabAtkins> | Ah, I see. ^_^ |
| 00:26 | <gsnedders> | (His name should appear in top left, and doesn't in Opera 10) |
| 00:27 | <gsnedders> | Gah. IE7 still makes up 50% of visitors from IE. :( |
| 00:29 | <TabAtkins> | Yup. |
| 00:29 | <TabAtkins> | What's your ie6 percentage? |
| 00:29 | <gsnedders> | 25% of IE |
| 00:29 | <TabAtkins> | So, what, 15% or so of total? Or are you lucky enough to have a lower-than-normal ie %? |
| 00:30 | <gsnedders> | I am, because out of my vanity I account for a disproportionate number of hits to me site :P |
| 00:30 | <TabAtkins> | Bah, you don't exclude yourself? Cheater! |
| 00:30 | <gsnedders> | I have no easy way to do so :) |
| 00:31 | <TabAtkins> | dynamic ip? |
| 00:31 | <gsnedders> | Dynamic IP and I travel too much at the moment :) |
| 00:31 | <TabAtkins> | That works. |
| 00:32 | <gsnedders> | 30% of hits to my site are from Opera, which is a bit out of the normal :) |
| 00:32 | <gsnedders> | (The hits from Opera aren't solely me, though, as there are some from versions I don't use.) |
| 00:33 | <gsnedders> | (Basically I'm at 30/30/30 between Opera/Firefox/IE) |
| 00:33 | <TabAtkins> | kk |
| 00:33 | <gsnedders> | SimplePie.org is far more interesting from a UA POV as it inevitably gets way more hits from way more people |
| 00:34 | <gsnedders> | (3000–5000 hits per day, 500–900 unique) |
| 00:34 | <gsnedders> | But that's heavily (67%) Firefox, then 19% Safari, 12% IE, 2% Opera |
| 00:35 | <TabAtkins> | I require SimplePie now. Must set it up tonight. |
| 00:35 | <TabAtkins> | (once I get done working) |
| 00:35 | <gsnedders> | (IE8 is the biggest version of IE at 5%, which makes me somewhat tempted to drop support for anything older when we finally redo the site.) |
| 00:40 | <TabAtkins> | Last time i looked at my company's stats, we were something like 20% ie6, 40% ie7, 10% ie8, 20% ff, and 10% assorted |
| 09:35 | <jacobolus> | is sendAsBinary a standard thing on XHR, and does it work anywhere except FF3+? |
| 09:35 | <jacobolus> | it seems like a great idea to me |
| 09:37 | <jacobolus> | annevk2, annevk3: maybe you know? |
| 09:37 | <gsnedders> | Non-standard, AFAIK |
| 09:39 | <jacobolus> | yeah, I don't see it in the standard |
| 09:39 | <jacobolus> | I wonder if anyone but FF implements it |
| 09:39 | <annevk2> | jacobolus, I think Firefox implemented some extensions |
| 09:39 | <annevk2> | too bad they didn't prefix them :/ |
| 09:39 | <jacobolus> | annevk2: any idea if anyone else is interested in those? |
| 09:40 | <annevk2> | yeah, but not in that form |
| 09:40 | <annevk2> | and the "binary DOMString" concept is also not very attractive imo |
| 09:40 | <jacobolus> | because sendAsBinary is pretty useful; allows us to avoid doing base64 encoding or base85 encoding or similar for sending bytes to a server |
| 09:40 | <jacobolus> | annevk2: why not very attractive? |
| 09:41 | <jacobolus> | annevk2: it seems like a reasonable solution as long as we don't have any kind of real bytes type in javascript |
| 09:43 | <annevk2> | it seems better to fix the real issue imo |
| 09:43 | <jacobolus> | annevk2: in Orbited, we use this sort of "use the lower byte of each 16-bit code unit" thing for representing bytes |
| 09:43 | <jacobolus> | it's pretty much the only way to do it in current browsers, without browsers adding a new type |
| 09:45 | <annevk2> | sure, but if browsers are going to implement new features they should fix the actual issues imo and not implement stopgap measures |
| 09:45 | <jacobolus> | fair enough :) |
| 09:45 | <jacobolus> | annevk2: is there any chance that that will happen? :) |
| 09:46 | <annevk2> | i'd like to thinkso |
| 09:52 | <jacobolus> | well if someone convinces some browsers that they should support sending binary data around, that'd be awesome |
| 10:03 | <jacobolus> | actually, I'm pretty happy with this particular stop-gap though; it's actually a pretty big improvement over the alternative |