| 00:05 | <TabAtkins> | Dammit, <fieldset>. Quit having special arcane rendering rules! |
| 00:05 | TabAtkins | will be very happy when <legend> and <fieldset> stop being magic. |
| 00:06 | <cying> | http://www.satine.org/archives/2009/10/16/wuh-working-group/ |
| 00:07 | <TabAtkins> | Hehe. |
| 00:20 | <Dashiva> | I agree with TabAtkins |
| 00:20 | <Dashiva> | Acronyms are much better when pronounced as words |
| 00:22 | <TabAtkins> | /high-five |
| 01:35 | <ilhan> | Is this allowed in datime? 2009-06-03T-07:00 meaning time zone is "-7"? |
| 01:38 | <Lachy> | ilhan, no. You need at least an hour and minute for the time |
| 01:39 | <Lachy> | so you could do 2009-06-03T00:00-07:00 |
| 01:39 | <ilhan> | ok, thanks a lot |
| 04:51 | <TabAtkins> | All right, McEvoy is on ignore now. >_< |
| 06:35 | <Hixie> | does this play for anyone in the uk? http://www.channel4.com/programmes/bremner-bird-and-fortune/4od#2973181 |
| 07:34 | <annevk42> | w3.org down? |
| 08:16 | <jgraham> | annevk42: WFM now |
| 08:16 | <annevk42> | yup |
| 08:16 | <annevk42> | ta |
| 09:54 | annevk42 | is in the train to Stockholm |
| 10:33 | <Hixie> | really? <textarea> doesn't need magic? |
| 10:33 | Hixie | is skeptical |
| 10:49 | <zcorpan_> | i guess we should research all the (r)cdata elements using the current parsing rules and look at pages that contain </foo where foo is the element's tag name |
| 11:03 | gsnedders | finally emails jgraham |
| 11:16 | <gsnedders> | http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/source/detail?r=937a421712e2edc2dbf498040f5ad3d6e13d395b |
| 11:17 | <zcorpan_> | the pronunciation discussion makes me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqpd7WcBmjM |
| 12:18 | <gsnedders> | Down to one test failure in html5lib! |
| 12:18 | <Philip`> | Delete the test and then you'll be down to zero! |
| 12:20 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: That last checkin totally needs tests |
| 12:20 | <jgraham> | I mean apart from the one test we already have |
| 12:22 | gsnedders | finds he's broken it in another way |
| 12:22 | <jgraham> | Since the one existing test didn't catch whatever issues previously existed |
| 12:22 | <gsnedders> | I've now got the html element always in no namespace instead of always in it. |
| 12:23 | gsnedders | swears that didn't happen when he last ran he test script |
| 12:23 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: I don't remember what code there already is, but does it work correctly with things that require you to look for all the elements in certain categories |
| 12:23 | <jgraham> | Since those lists use (namespace, name) pairs |
| 12:24 | gsnedders | grumbles at the html element being special cased all over the place |
| 12:25 | <jgraham> | (so you have to check that the .nameTuple property always returns the right thing regardless of whether the element is actually in a namespace or not |
| 12:25 | <jgraham> | ) |
| 12:27 | gsnedders | will get it working today, dammit |
| 12:29 | <jgraham> | Totally different question: anybody have any good advice about how to structure a socket-based program that may get multiple incoming messages in a go or multiple outgoing messages wih no incoming message |
| 12:29 | <gsnedders> | (That's the I-will-not-lose-against-jgraham's-code statement.) |
| 12:31 | <jgraham> | (the problem being that afaik while True: self.socket.recieve(); self.send_queued_messages(); won't ever process the queued messages unless it recieves a message first) |
| 12:31 | <jgraham> | (assuming the socket is blocking and so on) |
| 12:31 | <Philip`> | jgraham: Use Twisted instead of synchronous sockets? |
| 12:32 | <jgraham> | (and I'm not horribly misunderstanding the problem space) |
| 12:32 | <jgraham> | (which is possible since I have never written anything more complex than an echoing server with sockets) |
| 12:32 | <Philip`> | jgraham: Use 'accept' (with a timeout) to detect whether there's anything to receive, before doing a blocking receive? |
| 12:33 | <jgraham> | Philip`: I'm avoiding twisted since this is partially just a learning excercise |
| 12:33 | <jgraham> | maybe accept will work |
| 12:34 | jgraham | guesses he could also try using non-blocking sockets and select |
| 12:34 | <Philip`> | Oh |
| 12:34 | <Philip`> | I meant select, not accept |
| 12:34 | <Philip`> | I think |
| 12:35 | <Philip`> | Ah, yes, I did mean select |
| 12:35 | <Philip`> | You shouldn't need non-blocking sockets, because select will let you detect and avoid the situations that would block |
| 12:35 | <jgraham> | True |
| 12:36 | <Philip`> | unless I'm wrong |
| 12:37 | <Philip`> | But if it's a learning exercise, you ought to learn about Twisted instead of raw sockets :-) |
| 12:38 | <jgraham> | Philip`: Doesn't help if the goal is to learn about raw sockets :) |
| 12:38 | <jgraham> | (I would also like to learn bout twisted but maybe a different day) |
| 12:44 | <mikekelly> | I think there's going to be over-lap between this conneg thread and the resource thread |
| 12:44 | <mikekelly> | hopefully the concept of resources/representations is made clearer by the example I gave involving cache invalidation |
| 12:45 | <mikekelly> | Hixie: did that help explain the distinction? |
| 12:46 | <mikekelly> | and/or the practical benefits of that constraint for intermediaries |
| 13:59 | <lazni> | is this an appropriate use of <br>? http://lazny.tang.la/jbo/cukta/jbobaucku/jbobaucku.html |
| 13:59 | <lazni> | bible-like sentence numbering |
| 14:00 | <webben> | I would suggest span to wrap your sentences rather than line break |
| 14:01 | <lazni> | I wrap the sentence separator to easily insert it with a yas snippet, <br><span>.i</span> |
| 14:01 | <webben> | if people are supposed to refer to the numbers, I probably wouldn't use CSS. |
| 14:02 | <lazni> | so that I can write sentences more or less normally |
| 14:02 | <lazni> | good point |
| 14:02 | <webben> | i think that's an example of not using good enough authoring tools and letting bad authoring process dictate your deliverable. |
| 15:33 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: 18:15 |
| 15:33 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: When you leave or when you get here? |
| 15:34 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: When we pick you up |
| 15:34 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Where I suggested? |
| 15:34 | <jgraham> | Where did you suggest? |
| 15:35 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Djurgårdsgatan |
| 15:36 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: How about the dorner of there and Barnhemsgatan? |
| 15:36 | <jgraham> | *corner |
| 15:57 | gsnedders | adds, as promised, "No, you're just high." to his about page |
| 16:42 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: You appear to keep accidentally modifying html5lib without adding tests for the changed behaviour :-) |
| 16:43 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: I'm not sure how to get all the tests checking the namespaces on the created nodes |
| 16:44 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Maybe it would be adequate to have just a .py file doing some custom tests, rather than going through the testdata/*.dat files |
| 16:45 | <gsnedders> | Philip`: The reason why I made another commit was because my prior one had broken stuff with namespacing both enabled and disabled, this seems to work |
| 17:12 | <mikekelly> | why do I get the impression this Smylers guy isn't actually interested in considering any of the points I make |
| 17:12 | <mikekelly> | he keeps asking for stuff I've already provided |
| 17:20 | <webben> | mikekelly: Stuff like what? |
| 18:07 | <eighty4> | would it be semanticly ok to use both a <header> for the head of the page and a <header> in every <article>, containing meta info about a blog post |
| 18:56 | <webben> | eighty4: if the "meta info" constitutes a "group of introductory or navigational aids", then yes. |
| 18:58 | <eighty4> | webben: h* for the post, date, comment count and permalink to the post. |
| 18:58 | <webben> | sounds okay to me. |
| 19:00 | <eighty4> | that was my thought, but always good to check here :) |
| 22:47 | <cardona507> | I am trying to get <video> to work on firefox and my server doesn't support .ogv - I want to change this with an .htaccess file but am having trouble - this is what i have in my .htaccess file: AddType video/ogg .ogv - I am new to .htaccess - can someone help out? I have the .htaccess file in the same directory as the video and index.html |
| 22:51 | <cardona507> | /join #web |
| 23:26 | <eighty4> | cardona507: sounds more like a apache question |
| 23:26 | <cardona507> | eighty4 - I got it working |
| 23:28 | <cardona507> | is there a solution to getting html5 pages that have the chrome frame meta tag to validate? |
| 23:28 | <eighty4> | nice |
| 23:29 | <cardona507> | I was told to serve up the file with this mime type application/chromeframe - but that makes firefox want to download the file |