| 06:42 | <Templarian1> | So, reading through the latest draft I've noticed that letter-spacing isn't explained for the drawText function of the canvas object? Anyone know if this was intentional? |
| 06:46 | <Templarian1> | Oh, just looked at it and it hit me it's only showing CSS1 font properties. |
| 13:41 | <Lachy> | haha, Microsoft "enables Silverlight on iPhones" by sending a QuickTime compatible file (presumably MP4) and the <video> element. :-) http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/11/microsoft-enables-silverlight-video-streaming-to-iphones.ars |
| 13:42 | <Philip`> | Old news :-p |
| 13:42 | <Lachy> | how old? |
| 13:42 | <Philip`> | It was discussed here a couple of days ago or something |
| 13:43 | <Lachy> | oh |
| 13:44 | <Philip`> | It's streaming (not a plain MP4 file), and supported by the new IIS media server or something, and Microsoft isn't claiming they've done anything with Silverlight on iPhones |
| 13:44 | <Philip`> | but news stories are getting things a bit confused |
| 13:44 | <Philip`> | (probably since it was being discussed at the same time as new Silverlight was being discussed) |
| 13:46 | <Lachy> | yeah, that's why I thought it was so funny, cause the article made it sound like it had something to do with silverlight beyond just providing an alternative for it for streaming |
| 13:47 | <Philip`> | Does anybody use Silverlight for any purpose other than video? |
| 13:47 | <Philip`> | At least Flash is used for games too |
| 13:50 | <Lachy> | Microsoft tries to for some things on their site, though I'm not sure exactly what cause I refuse to install it |
| 13:58 | annevk2 | wonders what the context is for http://twitter.com/KennyL/statuses/6141544733 |
| 13:58 | <annevk2> | anyone? |
| 13:59 | <Lachy> | ask @KennyL |
| 14:01 | <annevk2> | good point, done |
| 14:19 | <Huvet> | html5lib: bug 113 and bug 125 seems to be duplicates |
| 14:19 | <Huvet> | I think |
| 15:11 | <annevk2> | iPhone does MPEG-2? |
| 15:11 | <annevk2> | did not know that |
| 15:11 | annevk2 | thought it was MPEG4 |
| 15:15 | <Philip`> | annevk2: Microsoft's thing is H.264 video and AAC audio in an MPEG-2 transport stream |
| 15:17 | <annevk2> | k |
| 15:17 | <annevk2> | tha |
| 15:17 | <annevk2> | hmm, Oslo is cold :/ |
| 15:18 | <annevk2> | at least here it's above 5 |
| 15:18 | <annevk2> | btw, if anyone has tips for a short hiking trip somewhere in Europe next month let me know |
| 15:20 | <annevk2> | going away in January to Patagonia and I should prolly do a somewhat lengthy walk before that :) |
| 15:22 | <ttepasse> | The classic is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James |
| 15:23 | <ttepasse> | for some definition of "short" or "lengthy" |
| 15:26 | <annevk2> | ah yeah, hmm |
| 15:27 | <jgraham> | How long is "somewhat lengthy"? And over what type of terrain? |
| 15:27 | <ttepasse> | Apart from the main road in northern spain there is this network of ways through europe - maybe there is a sub-path in .nl? |
| 15:29 | <jgraham> | There are things like the pennine way in the UK |
| 15:29 | <jgraham> | Or costal paths in e.g. corsica |
| 15:30 | <annevk2> | somewhat lengthy is 40k or so |
| 15:30 | <annevk2> | well, a day |
| 15:30 | <annevk2> | though it depends on the terrain of course |
| 15:31 | <annevk2> | and short is a couple of days, like 2-3 or so |
| 15:31 | annevk2 | isn't really sure yet |
| 15:31 | annevk2 | thinks about flying to bilbao |
| 15:32 | <jgraham> | Well there are probably some reasonably interesting bits of England that are not totally inaccessible in January. But maybe further south would be better |
| 15:32 | <annevk2> | still want to see the guggenheim there |
| 15:32 | <annevk2> | ah, next month means December :) |
| 15:33 | <annevk2> | but yeah, England might be fun |
| 15:33 | <jgraham> | Then too :) |
| 15:33 | <annevk2> | Scotland or Wales maybe? |
| 15:33 | <jgraham> | Scotland in the winter can be farly tough, at least the mountainous parts |
| 15:34 | <annevk2> | fairly though sounds compelling :) |
| 15:34 | <annevk2> | maybe I should ask Tarquin |
| 15:34 | <annevk2> | though that'd be in Wales |
| 15:38 | <jgraham> | Well I think you would want crampons and so on for Scotland at least |
| 15:40 | <jgraham> | (at least in the mountains) |
| 15:40 | <annevk2> | interesting |
| 15:40 | <annevk2> | I don't have those |
| 15:40 | <annevk2> | I do have sufficient clothing prolly |
| 15:43 | <jgraham> | I'm not really too sure because I haven't done that much winter walking. |
| 15:45 | <annevk2> | me neither |
| 15:46 | <annevk2> | well, once in Nikko |
| 15:46 | <annevk2> | on normal shoes and too cold clothing, hah |
| 17:07 | <Lachy> | annevk2, looks like that quote from @KennyL earlier comes from here http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Tim_Berners-Lee_Sees_Promise__Challenges_in_HTML5 |
| 17:24 | <annevk2> | nice |
| 17:30 | <annevk2> | my MacBook completely froze |
| 17:30 | <annevk2> | scary |
| 17:30 | <annevk2> | had to reboot |
| 18:20 | <hsivonen> | http://standardssuck.org/what-devs-want-from-html5 breaks badly with the latest HTML5 parser changes :-( |
| 18:22 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: It looks horrendously broken in Opera too |
| 18:23 | <Pure> | IE8 too |
| 18:23 | <Pure> | though, that's not html5 |
| 18:24 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: Breaking in HTML5-enabled Firefox is just increasing interoperability with other browsers |
| 18:24 | <hsivonen> | standards must suck interoperably |
| 18:26 | <Philip`> | <li class="commentbody"altid="comment-1258" <div class="com_info"> |
| 18:26 | <Philip`> | That can't be good |
| 18:26 | <Pure> | Nope |
| 18:26 | <hsivonen> | ok. so the problem is tokenizing < inside a tag like IE |
| 18:27 | <hsivonen> | maybe aligning with IE here isn't the best solution |
| 18:28 | <Philip`> | Getting the site fixed is the best solution |
| 18:29 | <Philip`> | since it's broken for almost everyone |
| 18:29 | <hsivonen> | IE's tokenization is considered to be axiomatically maximally Web compatible |
| 18:29 | <hsivonen> | byt parts of Gecko and WebKit might be more Web compatible |
| 18:29 | <hsivonen> | *but |
| 18:31 | <TabAtkins_> | Not broken in Chrome, as far as I can tell. At least, it all looks fine. Definitely not "horrendously broken". |
| 18:32 | <annevk2> | i think i've seen sites depend on both |
| 18:32 | <annevk2> | so you can't win |
| 18:43 | <hsivonen> | who can fix it? Marcos? |