| 13:15 | <gsnedders> | Heh. So Flyglobespan went bust earlier this month. |
| 13:15 | gsnedders | was a bit worried about whether they would go bust when he flew back from TPAC last year |
| 14:35 | <gsnedders> | So, Hixie's birthday has come. |
| 14:36 | <gsnedders> | And time for me to reveal what I've been working on for the past week. |
| 14:36 | <gsnedders> | http://stuff.gsnedders.com/whatwg/vocabs.html |
| 14:37 | <gsnedders> | Take a look at the xref there :) |
| 14:40 | <gsnedders> | Though there does appear to be some bugs. |
| 14:52 | gsnedders | fixes wha looks to be the biggest bug |
| 15:04 | <gsnedders> | (Tell me about bugs in xref, bugs such as lack of TOC and substitutions are known issue) |
| 15:48 | <gsnedders> | foolip: yt? |
| 16:31 | <foolip> | gsnedders: on and off |
| 16:32 | <gsnedders> | foolip: What do you mean by references to multipage? |
| 16:32 | <gsnedders> | foolip: From where? Within the spec? |
| 16:32 | <gsnedders> | foolip: Another document? |
| 16:47 | <foolip> | gsnedders: I mean references from e.g. the vocabs spec to the multipage HTML5 spec |
| 16:47 | <foolip> | as opening the single-page spec will kill a certain web browser |
| 16:48 | <gsnedders> | Web browsers should suck less. :) |
| 16:52 | GPHemsley | glares at Hixie for going to the extreme when demonstrating the variety of syntax HTML5 can have. |
| 16:55 | <AryehGregor> | <VIdeO autoBUFFER="AUTObuffer" autoplay CONTRols='' ></VIDEO> |
| 16:55 | <GPHemsley> | yeah |
| 16:55 | <GPHemsley> | see the second example for <section> |
| 16:55 | AryehGregor | should have used some tabs and newlines in the whitespace, too |
| 16:55 | <AryehGregor> | Haha. |
| 16:56 | <AryehGregor> | That's painful. |
| 16:56 | <GPHemsley> | On another note, what is the point of <dfn>? |
| 16:57 | <AryehGregor> | Isn't it one of those elements that's pretty stupid but not quite stupid enough to remove given that it was in previous versions of the standard? |
| 16:57 | <GPHemsley> | Probably |
| 16:58 | <GPHemsley> | but I was hoping for a more specific answer :P |
| 17:03 | <gsnedders> | GPHemsley: Look at all the cases of dfn in the spec :) |
| 17:03 | <gsnedders> | GPHemsley: It can be used to build xrefs |
| 17:04 | gsnedders | tries regenning spec with the next revision of Anolis 2 |
| 17:05 | <GPHemsley> | But it can't be used to substitute for an <abbr> @title |
| 17:07 | <gsnedders> | Why not? |
| 17:10 | <gsnedders> | Uploading the spec is slow. |
| 17:11 | <GPHemsley> | gsnedders: Because (based on how I'm reading the spec) you have specify the @title for each <abbr>, regardless of whether you've previously <dfn>'d it. |
| 17:11 | <gsnedders> | http://stuff.gsnedders.com/whatwg/vocabs.html --- it has the date (again)! |
| 17:12 | <gsnedders> | (Sorry, I just added a brand-new sub implementation into Anolis 2, which is a lot quicker than before) |
| 18:02 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Do you have to specify all the source files at once to get x-doc x-refs? |
| 18:03 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: You can either do that or you can specific URLs to load dfns from |
| 18:03 | <jgraham> | Hixie: Happy Birthday, as I understand it |
| 18:03 | <gsnedders> | (But only those with @id, as it can't add them in that case) |
| 18:03 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Right so if someone wants to reference HTML5 without having access to the source document, it should work |
| 18:03 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Yeah. |
| 18:03 | <jgraham> | (for example) |
| 18:03 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Nice :) |
| 18:04 | gsnedders | has the advantage of having the source documents |
| 18:04 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: It can't so well cope with docs that reference each other both ways without the source files, for obvious reasons |
| 18:04 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Also, I guess you'll be pleased to know that Anolis 2 should be a lot cheaper than 1 |
| 18:05 | <jgraham> | Boxing day sales? |
| 18:05 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Also I want to discuss one or two API related things about it with you, but probably won't do that until I'm back in Sweden |
| 18:06 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: You know what I mean :) |
| 18:07 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Sure. Probaably better to discuss then ince I am on dody hotel wifi at the mment |
| 18:07 | <jgraham> | (which I blame for all the mising characters) |
| 18:07 | <jgraham> | (because doing corrections is to painful) |
| 18:08 | <gsnedders> | Also I don't have to deal with silly textual mediums, but can instead just speak :P |
| 18:09 | <jgraham> | Indeed |
| 18:09 | <gsnedders> | (TOC I think is the main thing, apart from any actual UI, that remains to be done) |
| 18:10 | <Philip`> | jgraham: Write your lines in a local text editor then copy-and-paste into your IRC client |
| 18:21 | <GPHemsley> | Which validator (w3.org or validator.nu) is usually more up-to-date with the spec? |
| 18:39 | <jgraham> | Philip`: No |
| 18:47 | <quesada> | for html5lib: should I use the release version (.11) or the tip of the hg repo? |
| 18:47 | <quesada> | that means: is the head of the repo stable? |
| 19:05 | <gsnedders> | quesada: More so than 0.1 |
| 19:05 | <gsnedders> | *0.11 |
| 19:05 | <gsnedders> | (So use it) |
| 19:05 | <gsnedders> | GPHemsley: validator.nu |
| 19:06 | <gsnedders> | GPHemsley: It's the same impl, but v.nu is maintained by the guy who wrote the impl, so normally haschanges pushed to it more quickly |
| 19:09 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: does test_tests14_2_lxml fail for you? |
| 19:09 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Leading to four failures? |
| 19:09 | <gsnedders> | (in total) |
| 19:15 | <GPHemsley> | gsnedders: K, thanks. |
| 20:44 | <annevk4> | actually, the qa-dev version of the W3C might sometimes be more up to date thanks to MikeSmith |
| 20:52 | <zcorpan> | hello whatwg |
| 20:52 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: wow, dude, that's fantastic |
| 20:54 | <Hixie> | gsnedders: i'd offer to marry you, but i'm already engaged |
| 20:55 | <annevk4> | happy b-day Hixie |
| 20:56 | <Hixie> | thanks |
| 20:56 | <zcorpan> | happy birthday |
| 20:56 | <annevk4> | the xref stuff looks pretty neat |
| 20:56 | <annevk4> | maybe I should start using that too |
| 20:58 | <Hixie> | i am so going to be all over that |
| 22:28 | <annevk4> | http://on2.com/index.php?id=472&news_id=696 |
| 22:34 | <othermaciej> | is that standard for corporate bylaws? |
| 22:34 | <othermaciej> | (that merger approval requires majority of shares outstanding, not just voted) |
| 22:37 | <annevk4> | no idea |
| 22:37 | <othermaciej> | wow, On2 is practically a penny stock |
| 22:37 | <annevk4> | I've never seen anything like this before, but then I never pay much attention to mergers |
| 22:38 | <othermaciej> | still somewhat below what you'd get in the exchange if the merger is approved |
| 22:38 | <annevk4> | I think part of the issue is that the stock used to be worth USD 20 |
| 22:38 | <othermaciej> | most mergers you hear about, a large proportion of the shares are held by institutional investors who always vote their proxy |
| 22:38 | <annevk4> | 30 even, at its high in 2000 |
| 22:39 | <othermaciej> | the highest price I see in the past 5 years is $3 |
| 22:40 | <othermaciej> | they have been losing money for some time |
| 23:09 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Haven't checked but if that is the test I think it is then yes |
| 23:11 | <jgraham> | (I guess the magic infoset coercion thing isn't quite working right) |
| 23:12 | <jgraham> | (so it doesn't see the right tag name on the stack) |