| 00:57 | karlcow | slaps his own fingers. |
| 01:03 | <Philip`> | karlcow: In XHTML you'd just use < instead of < in attribute values |
| 01:04 | <cardona507> | can anyone point to a webidl primer? The spec is a little over my head for now... |
| 02:21 | <karlcow> | Philip`: yeah. realized that after. |
| 05:27 | <TabAtkins> | Yo, all. |
| 05:27 | <cardona507> | Howdy tab |
| 07:45 | <JonathanNeal> | http://www.liferay.com/ -- the new site is up!!! |
| 07:46 | <MikeSmith> | JonathanNeal: this is a site you built? |
| 07:46 | <JonathanNeal> | Indeed. |
| 07:47 | <JonathanNeal> | http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/process.py?url=http://www.liferay.com/ weee |
| 07:47 | <MikeSmith> | congrats |
| 07:48 | <JonathanNeal> | Thanks, I'm very happy it's finally up. |
| 07:48 | <JonathanNeal> | One of the first or first wave of large corporate HTML5 sites. |
| 07:49 | <cardona507> | nice - congrats :) |
| 07:49 | <cardona507> | looks good |
| 07:51 | <JonathanNeal> | cardona507, thank you. I hope it really encourages other developers. |
| 07:51 | <JonathanNeal> | I'm not like super awesome or anything, just knew it could be done. |
| 07:51 | <JonathanNeal> | And got a lot of help in this room. |
| 07:51 | <hsivonen> | does liferay (the product) now default to HTML5? |
| 07:51 | <cardona507> | I'm inspired |
| 07:51 | <JonathanNeal> | hsivonen, it does, but does not use HTML5 tags. |
| 07:52 | <hsivonen> | I see |
| 07:52 | <JonathanNeal> | The product itself uses the doctype-less html5 though, yes. |
| 07:57 | <JonathanNeal> | However, I'm hoping to move the product to HTML5, and then HTML5 with HTML4 elements for mobile. |
| 08:00 | <JonathanNeal> | mobile browsers totally choke on HTML5, can't move them over just yet, although a lot of sites are making two mobiles, one that degrades and looks nice on curves and the like, and another for the nextgen smartphones like the iPhone, Android, Bold or whatever. |
| 08:06 | <JonathanNeal> | Hey TabAtkins it's up! |
| 08:06 | <JonathanNeal> | http://www.liferay.com !!! thanks for your help |
| 08:47 | <Mekzholan> | Hi, is it possible to have multiple views on one canvas? |
| 08:48 | Mekzholan | has a page with ~1000 scopes that all should/could move at the same time |
| 08:48 | <Mekzholan> | putting all scopes in one big canvas and showing only the relevant part for each scope could help to have only one redraw every second... |
| 09:09 | <JonathanNeal> | One of my favorite comments of the night has been "guys the dtd's need to be restored" |
| 09:51 | <Philip`> | Mekzholan: I believe that's not possible |
| 09:51 | <Philip`> | You'd have to have lots of canvases, or one big canvas which you copy all the fragments onto |
| 09:52 | <Mekzholan> | Philip`: thanks for the answer... |
| 09:52 | <Mekzholan> | What's the best (= most performant) way to realise ~1000 scopes that get updated each second? |
| 09:53 | Mekzholan | ist currently using images where the src get's modified - and that's extremely slow |
| 09:53 | <Philip`> | What kind of image is being shown in each? |
| 09:53 | <Philip`> | and how large are they? |
| 09:53 | <Mekzholan> | a little icon, 4x4 pixel, png, no transparency |
| 09:54 | <Mekzholan> | each scope has 8 of them |
| 09:56 | <Philip`> | Hmm, I find it hard to visualise what you mean |
| 09:58 | <Mekzholan> | <div class="hbeat"> |
| 09:58 | <Mekzholan> | <img src="1.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="0.png" /><img src="0.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="0.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="dot.png" /> |
| 09:58 | <Mekzholan> | </div> |
| 09:58 | <Mekzholan> | 1.png and 0.png either show a peak or a plain line |
| 09:59 | <Mekzholan> | currently a JavaScript function is called every second to move the src attribute from each img to its right neighbour |
| 10:00 | <Mekzholan> | and depending on other data the left most img is then set to 0.png or 1.png |
| 10:01 | <Mekzholan> | => it looks like a scope that's flowing to the right |
| 10:02 | <Mekzholan> | (it looks a bit like the CPU graph in the MS Windows task manager, the direction of the flow is just opposite) |
| 10:03 | <Philip`> | Sounds like doing it with canvas and drawing lines (rather than using images) should have much lower overhead |
| 10:03 | <Philip`> | Not sure how well it'd work if you have a thousand to update per second, though |
| 10:04 | <Philip`> | (Drawing them all onto one big canvas would probably be faster than drawing lots of little ones, I'd expect) |
| 10:06 | <Mekzholan> | Philip`: yes, that's my reasoning. One big canvas, only one translate and 1000 little draws per second resulting in only one redraw should be very lightweight |
| 10:07 | <Mekzholan> | well, I guess that I'll have to stay not optimal for now... |
| 10:10 | Philip` | can't think of a better solution |
| 11:33 | <foolip> | yay, the microdata vs. RDFa battle spills over into wikitech http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2010-January/046386.html |
| 11:45 | <Dashiva> | "... RDFa is a published W3C Recommendation and it is safe to use it for deployment", with no mention at all of the planned incompatible changes for 1.1 |
| 12:30 | <foolip> | does anyone know if it's possible to get/reset the password of the spec annotation system? |
| 12:32 | <Philip`> | foolip: Can you just register again with the same email address? |
| 12:32 | <foolip> | Philip`: I'll try that |
| 12:32 | <foolip> | "your password may have been e-mailed to you again" |
| 12:33 | <Philip`> | "may"? That doesn't inspire extreme confidence |
| 12:33 | foolip | waits |
| 12:36 | <foolip> | now, how to you change the implementation boxes? alt+double click doesn't appear to do anything |
| 12:37 | <Philip`> | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/status-documentation.html |
| 12:37 | <Philip`> | That says alt+double click |
| 12:37 | <Philip`> | so in theory it should work |
| 12:38 | foolip | tried Opera and Firefox |
| 12:38 | <foolip> | have you ever used it? |
| 12:38 | <Philip`> | Yes |
| 12:38 | <foolip> | care to see if it works for you today? |
| 12:38 | <Philip`> | It doesn't quite work for me on Linux because alt+click is the window manager's drag-to-move thing |
| 12:38 | <foolip> | oh right, crap |
| 12:39 | <Philip`> | but ctrl+alt+double click pops up the login dialog box so presumably that's working |
| 12:39 | <Philip`> | (though I can't be bothered to work out my password and actually log in) |
| 12:39 | <foolip> | yes! |
| 12:39 | <foolip> | thanks |
| 12:39 | <foolip> | that should be documented |
| 16:24 | <JonathanNeal> | The new site is up --- http://www.liferay.com/ --- with HTML5 and CSS3 goodness! |
| 16:28 | <cardona507> | JonathanNeal - still announcing the site I see :) |
| 16:28 | <cardona507> | congrats again |
| 16:28 | <JonathanNeal> | Yes, 1am and then I went to bed. |
| 16:28 | <cardona507> | hehe - sounds like we are on the same schedule |