| 00:00 | <TabAtkins> | Fwiw, the issues is that FF won't implicitly submit a form that has *two* text inputs and no submit button. |
| 00:01 | <dglazkov> | othermaciej: I don't know if it's wrong, it's just different. The spec and WebKit do one thing, the rest of the gang does the other. |
| 00:01 | <dglazkov> | https://bug-21716-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=24462 <-- try hitting enter in the text field in non-WebKit browsers. |
| 00:02 | <KaOSoFt> | Good evening. |
| 00:02 | <othermaciej> | dglazkov: Firefox doesn't submit, but that strikes me as unhelpful behavior |
| 00:03 | <othermaciej> | I would say it's a bug in Firefox unless there is some compat reason for it |
| 00:05 | <dglazkov> | othermaciej: I've been digging for gold in b.w.o, but only found one living site that still shows a compat issue: http://www.flo-joe.co.uk/cae/students/wordbank/wform.htm |
| 00:07 | <othermaciej> | dglazkov: the compat issue being that pressing enter does something useless? |
| 00:07 | <dglazkov> | othermaciej: yeah |
| 00:07 | <dglazkov> | othermaciej: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9756 |
| 00:07 | <othermaciej> | I see your point but that seems pretty minor |
| 00:08 | <othermaciej> | dglazkov: only thing I could imagine changing is that if there is a button but no submit button, maybe one of the buttons should be the default action for pressing enter |
| 00:09 | <dglazkov> | othermaciej: I wonder if the current behavior of non-WebKit browsers is simply a leftover from isindex era |
| 00:14 | <annevk2> | hmm, I don't think HTML5 defines the crazy stuff in http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2010/04/16/how-to-break-youtube does it? |
| 00:15 | annevk2 | wonders why hsivonen hasn't complained about it |
| 00:46 | <annevk> | for http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Timed_tracks I know that e.g. Ghost in the Shell 2 has things like that going on |
| 00:46 | <annevk> | but I don't have any screenshot |
| 00:47 | <Hixie> | i just meant that as an example of extremes |
| 00:48 | <Hixie> | hopefully most examples won't be that crazy :-) |
| 00:49 | <annevk> | those kind are actually hard to follow |
| 00:49 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 00:50 | <annevk> | you listen to the Japanese, the subtitles are long and switch fast, while at the top the references in the text are explained |
| 00:51 | <Hixie> | the jokes are obviously only useful if you're pausing |
| 00:51 | <Hixie> | joke explanations i mean |
| 00:51 | <Hixie> | "footnotes" |
| 01:40 | <Hixie> | annevk: yt? |
| 01:41 | <Hixie> | annevk: is xhr's description of sync xhr complete, or is it pending on something? |
| 01:45 | <annevk> | i think it's complete |
| 01:45 | <annevk> | though maybe it should be updated to use the redirect flag of fetch |
| 01:45 | <annevk> | as that's new |
| 01:48 | <Hixie> | k |
| 01:49 | <Hixie> | so no tasks run while sync xhr is happening, right? |
| 01:49 | <Hixie> | i'm trying to work out how it interacts with workers |
| 01:49 | <Hixie> | seems fine currently |
| 01:49 | <annevk> | yeah, that's the idea |
| 01:49 | <annevk> | no timeouts, no events |
| 01:49 | <othermaciej> | you mean workings running a sync XHR, or running during a sync XHR? |
| 01:50 | <Hixie> | the former |
| 01:50 | <Hixie> | annevk: thanks |
| 01:51 | <Hixie> | annevk: should that change, you'll likely need to use the "spin the event loop" hook, in which case let me know because i'll have to define how that works with workers |
| 01:51 | <Hixie> | annevk: currnetly workers don't support 'spin the event loop' or 'await a stable state'/'synchronous sections', because nothing that runs in a worker can trigger those |
| 01:51 | <Hixie> | (i just noticed the storage mutex isn't handled right in workers and i'm fixing that) |
| 01:52 | <annevk> | okay |
| 04:36 | <piyushmishra> | hi |
| 04:37 | <piyushmishra> | I am trying to make a whiteboard app for multiple users in html5 canvas + JS and php |
| 04:37 | <piyushmishra> | can anyone please recommend good html5 canvas tutes/documentation etc |
| 04:37 | <piyushmishra> | ? |
| 07:40 | <Hixie> | is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 really true? |
| 07:41 | <Hixie> | you can't turn off the borders on <iframes> in IE with CSS? |
| 07:47 | <estellevw> | you have to include frameborder=0 or something like that in IE |
| 07:48 | <estellevw> | frameborder="0" |
| 07:52 | <nessy> | incidentally, can iframes be transparent |
| 08:00 | <nessy> | seems IE needs a allowTransparency as well as CSS background-color:transparent |
| 15:10 | <Tila> | hello |
| 15:11 | <Tila> | is this a place to ask questions about html5? |
| 15:12 | <miketaylr> | yes |
| 15:15 | <Tila> | i heard about js able to use storage on user disk, what kind of storage is it? files? a key/value db? |
| 15:45 | <miketaylr> | Tila: take a peek here:http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ |