| 01:10 | <JonathanNeal> | is there an js event for when an <audio> has finished playing? |
| 03:59 | AryehGregor | wonders what possessed him to get into an argument about economics on Slashdot |
| 05:28 | <othermaciej> | AryehGregor: lol! |
| 06:32 | <doublec> | JonathanNeal, there's an ended event |
| 06:32 | <doublec> | JonathanNeal, see http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#mediaevents |
| 09:25 | <hsivonen> | http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xhtmlmod2010/results (Member-only) |
| 09:26 | <othermaciej> | hsivonen: that's not a lot of responses... |
| 09:27 | <annevk> | wow |
| 09:27 | <othermaciej> | I'm surprised dbaron didn't enter "other comments" |
| 09:29 | <annevk> | with interest like this, there's no need to make a point |
| 09:29 | <Hixie> | i think that pretty much sums it up |
| 09:30 | <othermaciej> | I bet it still goes to REC |
| 09:30 | <Hixie> | duh |
| 09:30 | <Hixie> | if it didn't go to rec that would mean the w3c followed w3c process |
| 09:31 | <othermaciej> | I would love to see the implementation report they used to exit CR |
| 09:31 | <Hixie> | are there any implementation criteria to meet? |
| 09:32 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: seen the XLink 1.1 impl report? |
| 09:32 | <othermaciej> | I wonder what their exit criteria are |
| 09:32 | <othermaciej> | I wonder why they aren't cited in the AC survey |
| 09:33 | <othermaciej> | there isn't even a link to the spec in the survey |
| 09:33 | <annevk> | hsivonen, is it public? |
| 09:33 | <hsivonen> | secret |
| 09:33 | <annevk> | XLink is such a joke |
| 09:34 | <annevk> | it's extremely unfortunate it went into SVG |
| 09:34 | <othermaciej> | http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/01/xlink11-implementation |
| 09:34 | <annevk> | and MathML too, maybe? |
| 09:34 | <othermaciej> | isn't that it? |
| 09:34 | <annevk> | that's public |
| 09:34 | <othermaciej> | that doesn't appear to be Member-only |
| 09:34 | <othermaciej> | that's what the REC in TR links to |
| 09:34 | <annevk> | such a joke |
| 09:35 | <annevk> | SVG implementations only support XLink to the extent that they need to recognize certain attributes of XLink on certain elements |
| 09:36 | <annevk> | I believe according to the XLink guys that is valid usage of XLink... |
| 09:36 | <othermaciej> | I wonder if I should waste Dave Singer's time by asking him to vote no on any PR survey that doesn't cite the CR exit criteria and implementation report |
| 09:36 | <Hixie> | apparently only specs that reality impiges on have to follow w3c process |
| 09:37 | <annevk> | why impose requirements on lalaland? |
| 09:37 | <othermaciej> | I usually tell him not to respond at all on stuff we don't care about |
| 09:37 | <Hixie> | the level of double standard at the w3c is so astronomical it makes a joke of the whole thing |
| 09:37 | <Hixie> | svg 1.2 tiny being my favourite example |
| 09:39 | <othermaciej> | to be fair, getting html5 right is orders of magnitude more important than getting xlink 1.1 right |
| 09:40 | <Hixie> | if the w3c staff admitted that and justified ignoring process on the "unimportant" specs because of that, then i wouldn't feel like that was actually just a coincidence |
| 09:41 | <othermaciej> | I think no one is fussy about process until people complain, generally |
| 09:41 | <othermaciej> | otoh with svg 1.2 there were lots of complaints |
| 09:41 | <othermaciej> | so that's the one that seems like an outlier |
| 09:44 | <hsivonen> | i'm ptretty sure the xlink 1.1 iml report used to be secret |
| 09:46 | <othermaciej> | the xlink 1.1 CR exit criteria did include "There are at least two interoperable implementations of the specification." |
| 09:46 | <Hixie> | of every feature? |
| 09:46 | <othermaciej> | the implementation report doesn't seem to give any evidence for that assertion |
| 09:46 | <Hixie> | is there a test suite? i'd love to learn how xlink is supposed to actually work |
| 09:46 | <othermaciej> | http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/03/xlink11-tests |
| 09:48 | <Hixie> | in what sense is that a test suite? |
| 09:49 | <othermaciej> | in the sense that it was linked from the implementation report in the section with a header of "Test Suite" |
| 09:50 | Hixie | points back to his comment about the process being a joke half the time |
| 09:50 | <othermaciej> | I am having a hard time running those tests in my browser because they are served with a Content-type of "charset=utf-8"[sic] |
| 09:52 | <annevk> | also uses external entity references |
| 09:52 | <othermaciej> | if I load one by hand after downloading I get a blank page - not sure if that is a pass or fail |
| 10:23 | <annevk> | http://twitter.com/t/status/14075258381 |
| 10:23 | <annevk> | tantek is so much ahead of us |
| 10:27 | <othermaciej> | so, the last version of XHTML Modularization 1.1 to link to an implementation report linked to this: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2006/m12n-11-implementation.html |
| 10:27 | <othermaciej> | the PER doesn't have a link to an impleentation report at all |
| 10:51 | <Hixie> | http://blogs.msdn.com/ericlippert/archive/2010/04/12/ignoring-parentheses.aspx#comments <-- i guess microsoft really _doesn't_ care about interop with their .NET framework afterall, who knew |
| 10:51 | <Hixie> | *feigned surprise* |
| 10:53 | <othermaciej> | seems like an issue with the C# language, not the .NET framework |
| 10:54 | <Hixie> | yes |
| 10:54 | <Hixie> | C# is part of .NET |
| 10:55 | <othermaciej> | anyway, I'm not that surprised that they ruled out changing the compiler, but I am surprised that they ruled out changing the spec |
| 10:58 | annevk | is interested in why Hixie was reading that :) |
| 10:59 | <Hixie> | it was about 4 links out from a reddit comment |
| 10:59 | <Hixie> | i'm just browsing the web :-) |
| 11:02 | <annevk> | aah reddit |
| 11:02 | <othermaciej> | Hixie: crazy talk! |
| 12:23 | <karlcow> | hmmm |
| 12:23 | <karlcow> | http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/02/html_cheatsheet/ |
| 13:42 | <othermaciej> | Firefox seems to have gaps between every line when you select text - has it always done that? |
| 13:42 | othermaciej | ca't beliee he never noticed |
| 13:42 | <variable> | othermaciej: I don't see that on my copy |
| 13:43 | <othermaciej> | I'm testing in Firefox 3.6.3 on a Mac |
| 13:43 | <othermaciej> | example site: http://slashdot.org/ |
| 13:43 | <othermaciej> | if my selection spans multiple lines, I see gaps w/o the selection color between the lines |
| 13:47 | <variable> | othermaciej: http://isis.poly.edu/~eitan/files/scrshot-no-spanbreak.jpg |
| 13:48 | <othermaciej> | I wonder what is wrong with my copy |
| 13:48 | <variable> | othermaciej: I just tested on /. |
| 13:48 | <variable> | same issue |
| 13:49 | <othermaciej> | by "same issue" do you mean that you do see gaps, or that you don't? |
| 13:50 | <variable> | othermaciej: I see the gaps on /. |
| 13:50 | <variable> | but I don't see them on the webchat for freenode |
| 13:50 | <othermaciej> | very weird |
| 13:50 | <variable> | and I see them on half the lines in the The connection has timed out page on firefox |
| 13:50 | <variable> | (if it breaks <p> I think I see the gaps else I don't> |
| 13:50 | <variable> | s/t>/)// |
| 13:51 | variable | makes testcase now |
| 13:53 | <variable> | othermaciej: got it: there is a gap if it breaks <p> or multiple <br>s but not one <br> or no <p> |
| 13:53 | <variable> | there was a thread about this on www-style recently. IIRC IE attempts to only select text along with FF but opera attempts to select elements as well (not sure what that means re gaps) |
| 13:54 | <othermaciej> | slashdot doesn't seem to have multiple <br>s or <p>s in the article summaries |
| 13:55 | <othermaciej> | yeah, I know they won't select gaps between paragraphs, but I see gaps between lines in a single paragraph |
| 13:55 | <othermaciej> | which I was not expecting |
| 13:55 | <variable> | odd. Report a bug to FF? |
| 14:26 | <Dashiva> | #public-deja-vu |
| 18:26 | <Philip`> | http://www.oracle.com/database/berkeley-db/db/index.html - "based on the ubiquitous SQLite version 3 API, Berkeley DB provides a drop-in compatible SQL database library and command line tool" |
| 18:26 | Philip` | wonders if that's compatible enough for web browser use |
| 18:28 | <Philip`> | Oh, apparently it's basically the SQLite frontend with the storage implementation rewritten to use BDB, or something along those lines |
| 18:28 | <Philip`> | so it's probably compatible but not really independent |
| 20:10 | <annevk> | isn't the Firefox selection related to line boxes and line-height and all? seems more logical than it being related to <br> and what not |
| 20:24 | <annevk> | hmm, whatwg.org is down |
| 21:10 | <annevk> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-iri/2010May/0012.html -- so the status report is that it's not really anywhere yet? |
| 21:11 | <annevk> | basically I'm at a loss how that email addresses what is discussed in its first paragraph |
| 21:20 | <Hixie> | well i've no idea what happened to my server |
| 21:20 | <Hixie> | it was up, just not doing anything web-related |
| 21:21 | <Hixie> | looks like we had some sort of runaway process around 3am/4am |
| 22:36 | <zcorpan_> | http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=4299 - someone know enough about rdfa and microdata to answer this? |
| 22:46 | <Dashiva> | @content is done with a <meta>, isn't it? |
| 22:46 | <zcorpan_> | yeah, but what does @resource do |
| 22:48 | <Dashiva> | It... RDFs |
| 22:50 | <Dashiva> | Seems like it can be used in multiple ways. Covered by itemscope and itemtype, I'd say. |
| 23:04 | <zcorpan_> | wonder if i should introduce ranks on the forums |
| 23:04 | <zcorpan_> | maybe it'll make people post there more |
| 23:05 | <zcorpan_> | what should the ranks be? |
| 23:06 | <Rik`> | h1, h2, ... h6 ? |
| 23:06 | <zcorpan_> | ooh good idea |
| 23:07 | <zcorpan_> | and <small> |
| 23:09 | <Hixie> | hah |
| 23:09 | <Hixie> | that would be awesome |
| 23:13 | <zcorpan_> | ok added |
