| 01:05 | <MikeSmith> | othermaciej: I had bugmail set to also send notifications when status of a bug changes |
| 01:05 | <MikeSmith> | you really want it only for new bugs? |
| 01:05 | <MikeSmith> | not for status changes? |
| 01:11 | <othermaciej> | MikeSmith: I don't terribly mind them myself, but my original suggestion was new bugs only, so maybe we should start with that so people get what they signed up for |
| 01:11 | <othermaciej> | MikeSmith: maybe we can add more notifications later if we need to |
| 01:14 | <MikeSmith> | ok |
| 01:14 | <MikeSmith> | now set to just notifications for new bugs |
| 01:19 | <nessy> | I like that - I can always subscribe to updates for those bugs that I care about |
| 01:19 | <Hixie> | yeah new bugs only makes sense to me too |
| 05:06 | <GPHemsley> | hsivonen, Hixie: Keep in mind that what I consider noise is likely very different from what you consider noise. ;) |
| 07:24 | <annevk> | oh, extensibility went to vote |
| 10:04 | <annevk> | zcorpan, maybe you should add your suggestion for what to replace non-normative with here: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10626 |
| 10:04 | annevk | forgot what it was |
| 10:22 | <zcorpan> | done |
| 13:07 | <hsivonen> | cool. Opera has added support for ™. More interop! |
| 13:25 | <annevk> | hsivonen, we did that in August 2006... |
| 13:33 | <jacobolus> | do events sent to dom elements work synchronously or asynchronously? |
| 13:33 | <jacobolus> | that is, if I'm in the middle of some function foo and I fire off an event to some div or svg shape, will the object handle that event before the rest of foo finishes, or after? |
| 13:35 | <annevk> | if you dispatch it yourself, before |
| 13:35 | <annevk> | otherwise, it depends |
| 13:35 | <jgraham> | Oh, dispatchEvent is sync? |
| 13:35 | <hsivonen> | annevk: I'm slow to notice, I guess. I have a note to make validator.nu whine about ™ on Opera compat grounds. I guess I won't implement that feature. |
| 13:36 | <annevk> | oh wow |
| 13:36 | <jgraham> | ? |
| 13:37 | <annevk> | jgraham, yes it's sync |
| 13:38 | <hsivonen> | and IE9 supports ', so that took care of itself before I got around to make V.nu warn about that one |
| 13:39 | <annevk> | I wonder if IE dropped support for entities it had in addition to those that are in HTML5 |
| 13:39 | <jgraham> | Oh, I guess it must be really |
| 13:39 | <jgraham> | Since it returns a value |
| 13:39 | <annevk> | I personally thought they made sense... |
| 13:39 | jgraham | has managed to mostly avoid dispatchEvent |
| 13:40 | <annevk> | jgraham, yeah, it's also "queue a task to dispatch an event" when you want async in spec lang |
| 13:41 | <jgraham> | Yeah. Seems liek you should be able to make async events from user code though |
| 13:41 | <annevk> | just use setTimeout |
| 13:42 | <jgraham> | Yeah, I guess that has the right effect |
| 13:43 | <jacobolus> | annevk: okay, thanks |
| 13:44 | <jacobolus> | annevk: I guess it's useful to have it sync, since it's not hard to wrap in a setTimeout if you want async &c. |
| 13:45 | <jacobolus> | oh, you said that |
| 13:45 | <jacobolus> | heh |
| 13:51 | <jacobolus> | maybe someone here has some advice then. I'm trying to build up some drag/drop for SVG objects. |
| 13:51 | <jacobolus> | my intended method is to have the whole svg area have a 'mousedown' handler that figures out the object being clicked using elementFromPoint, and then registers 'mousemove', 'mouseup' (again on the whole svg area) and I can then put the logic about how far the mouse should move before it's considered a drag, etc. in this one place. |
| 13:51 | <jacobolus> | to figure out what object is underneath the drag, the mousemove handler hides the dragged object, does elementFromPoint, and then shows the dragged object again, and I write my own logic to figure out when we're hovering over new drop targets, etc. |
| 13:53 | <jacobolus> | actually, hold that thought. I'm going to change seats. bb10 |
| 14:14 | <jacobolus> | well, if anyone has any thoughts, I'm back, but now a question too. is there any way to get the mouse position when it's not over the viewport? |
| 14:39 | <annevk> | it's great that bug 10720 references Microsoft for good practice on not messing up standards |
| 14:50 | <Philip`> | Hmm, is test.w3.org down? |
| 14:50 | <Philip`> | Sadly I can't use downforeveryoneorjustme.com because it seems to return 404 for URLs starting with the string "test" |
| 14:51 | <jgraham> | Down for me, but dvcs is up |
| 15:16 | <jacobolus> | hmm. okay, another question then. is there any way to get a mouseup event if someone starts dragging while in the browser window and then releases the mouse somewhere outside? |
| 15:17 | <jacobolus> | annevk: ? |
| 15:17 | <nimbupani> | you can do a dragStart event on browsers that support it. |
| 15:17 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: which is that? |
| 15:18 | <annevk> | jacobolus, maybe with setCapture stuff? (not standardized, not interoperable) |
| 15:18 | <nimbupani> | https://developer.mozilla.org/En/DragDrop/Drag_Operations |
| 15:18 | <annevk> | jacobolus, but don't really know |
| 15:18 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: this isn't too promising http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/09/the_html5_drag.html |
| 15:18 | <jacobolus> | (at least the first couple sentences) |
| 15:22 | <nimbupani> | true, but Opera still does not support drag and drop http://caniuse.com/#feat=dragndrop |
| 15:22 | <annevk> | thanks Philip` |
| 15:23 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: so do you know if there's a drag outside the browser window, and the user releases the mouse, will I get some event? |
| 15:24 | <nimbupani> | i saw such a demo once. |
| 15:24 | <nimbupani> | so I am looking |
| 15:25 | <nimbupani> | here you are http://londonwebstorenight.appspot.com/html5/index.html#slide20 |
| 15:26 | <nimbupani> | it uses dragstart tho. |
| 15:26 | <nimbupani> | and I think it cancels events for other drag ops. |
| 15:29 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: it looks like that's sending some info to the world that there's a thing being dragged that can be dropped outside |
| 15:29 | <jacobolus> | e.g. the interface implies I can drop on dock icons, the desktop, my chat client, etc. |
| 15:29 | <jacobolus> | which isn't quite what I want |
| 15:30 | <nimbupani> | not really it only says you can drag |
| 15:30 | <jacobolus> | I just want to be able to catch mouseup whether the user is over the browser or not |
| 15:30 | <nimbupani> | the dataTransfer is only when the drag ends |
| 15:30 | <nimbupani> | you can put whatever you want within function(e) {} |
| 15:30 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: sure, but whether there's dataTransfer or not safari acts like I can drop stuff anywhere |
| 15:31 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: e.g. in slide 18 |
| 15:31 | <jacobolus> | or is that a safari bug? |
| 15:31 | <nimbupani> | oh i was only looking at it in chrome :) |
| 15:32 | <nimbupani> | oh i see it. you mean the + sign? |
| 15:33 | <nimbupani> | that only exists because there is a listener for it in that drop area. |
| 15:33 | <jacobolus> | nimbupani: I mean that if I drag the object into any other app on my system, it is implied that I can drop there |
| 15:34 | <nimbupani> | that is a feature of the mac itself I think. |
| 15:34 | <nimbupani> | oh no |
| 15:34 | <nimbupani> | it only works on safari |
| 15:35 | <jacobolus> | perhaps a safari bug? |
| 15:35 | <nimbupani> | or a safari feature? :P |
| 15:35 | <jacobolus> | is every draggable object supposed to be droppable on the world? |
| 15:35 | <jacobolus> | or just some of them? |
| 15:35 | <jacobolus> | clearly some should be |
| 15:35 | <jacobolus> | (so maybe everyone's buggy?) |
| 15:36 | <nimbupani> | ideally it should be droppable anywhere. |
| 15:36 | <jacobolus> | some objects should be |
| 15:37 | <jacobolus> | but I think there are some that should probably stay within the web app |
| 15:37 | <nimbupani> | i dont think you can set where it can be dropped though. |
| 15:37 | <nimbupani> | you can only add listeners to drop targets AFAIK |
| 16:23 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: Is there a known reason why htmlparser-statistics.jar might use lots more heap space than a standard htmlparser-1.2.2.jar? |
| 16:32 | <Philip`> | Ah, seems better when I give the JVM 2GB |
| 16:42 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: http://philip.html5.org/data/parser-stats-raw.xml.bz2 is the raw data |
| 16:42 | <Philip`> | (with a <processed> line for each page it started processing, and a <stats> line for each time the handler got called) |
| 16:45 | <Philip`> | http://parsetree.validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.4clubs.ch%2Flms.php%3Fmodule%3Ddivers is quite a bit of nesting |
| 16:51 | <Philip`> | http://parsetree.validator.nu/?doc=http://www.vdofilm.com/webwinkel/contents/nl/d102_01.html does quite well on outer loop entries (around 60% down that page) |
| 16:53 | Philip` | isn't sure how to usefully analyse the data |
| 17:07 | <cardona507> | i just realized that the html-wg doesn't have digest mode for the mailing list |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | cardona507, don't you have filters and such for that? |
| 17:18 | <annevk> | digest seems so old fashioned; for the time when clients sucked |
| 17:18 | <cardona507> | i actually like diges |
| 17:18 | <cardona507> | heh |
| 17:19 | <cardona507> | *digest |
| 17:19 | <cardona507> | fine tuning my filter as we speak |
| 18:43 | <hober> | As I tweeted the other day: ISSUE-41 has gone to poll, and I know I only captured some of the relevant arguments in the zero-edit CP. I encourage everyone to respond to the poll if you feel you have a point not already covered in that CP. Thanks! |
| 19:49 | <variable> | does anyone know where the bulk of the security discussion about iframe srcdoc and sandbox attributes occured? |
| 19:52 | <variable> | I found BUG-100 which is to remove the element - but I can't find the original discussion |
| 19:56 | <Philip`> | I would assume the WHATWG list |
| 19:57 | <variable> | Philip`, I've been searching the archives but I can't find anything |
| 19:57 | <variable> | do you know the name of any threads? |
| 20:01 | <Philip`> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0491.html may be relevant |
| 20:01 | <variable> | http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-July/015349.html is what I found |
| 20:05 | <Philip`> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008May/0326.html looks like one of the first suggestions for doc="..." |
| 20:08 | <variable> | Philip`, thanks - let me read that thread now |
| 22:49 | <Hixie> | my mac has started ignoring responses from my DHCP server |
| 22:49 | <Hixie> | wtf |
| 22:49 | <Hixie> | it connects to the wifi network, and i can see the DHCP response in a tcpdump of the network seen from the laptop |
| 22:50 | <Hixie> | but the IP remains set to one of the autoconfigured IPs |