| 00:51 | <karlcow> | http://www.w3.org/News/2010.html#entry-8982 |
| 00:51 | <karlcow> | over. |
| 00:55 | <othermaciej> | wow, I had no idea hlink existed |
| 00:55 | <othermaciej> | I wonder what it is |
| 01:05 | <karlcow> | othermaciej it was for replacing xlink conflicts between WGs |
| 01:55 | <erlehmann> | in 2010, new links formed! |
| 02:17 | <bga_> | XQuery XQueryX XQueryXXX %) |
| 02:17 | <karlcow> | erlehmann: where? |
| 02:17 | <erlehmann> | karlcow, hlink. deal with it :3 |
| 02:17 | <erlehmann> | bga_, XXXQuery |
| 02:17 | <karlcow> | naaaah. That is super old story |
| 02:18 | <karlcow> | Previous version: |
| 02:18 | <karlcow> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-hlink-20020913 |
| 02:18 | <erlehmann> | ._. |
| 02:18 | <karlcow> | the doc has been published as a Note now, but it was discussed in 2002. |
| 02:19 | <erlehmann> | karlcow, when i suggested making a letter envelope out of stamps, so that it pays for itself, a friend was like "oh year, [famous blogger] wrote that in 2006 already" |
| 02:19 | <erlehmann> | CSS 2.1 \o/ |
| 02:19 | <karlcow> | :) |
| 02:21 | <bga_> | omg |
| 02:21 | <karlcow> | http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/search?type-index=www-html&index-type=t&keywords=hlink&search=Search |
| 02:21 | <bga_> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-xqueryx-30-20101214/#Example1 |
| 02:22 | <bga_> | cool examples |
| 02:24 | <karlcow> | ok bga_ now close your browser window and write that down ;) |
| 02:25 | <karlcow> | from memory |
| 02:25 | <bga_> | :) |
| 02:51 | <karlcow> | <p id="block-64"><time><a href="#block-64" class="block-link" title="Link to update 64">6.37pm:</a></time> |
| 02:51 | <karlcow> | in http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/16/wikileaks-latest-julian-assange-bail-appeal |
| 02:55 | <MikeSmith> | more about HLink: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/HLink |
| 03:14 | <Hixie> | TabAtkins: (re xbl) i dunno if this matters for the issue being raised on that thread, but consider that the user opening/closing a <details> element mutates the dom, as, depending on how you define it, would many other things (e.g. drag and drop, editing a form control, etc) |
| 05:33 | <zcorpan> | so instead of renaming window.performance, they want to make it [Replaceable] |
| 06:11 | <abarth> | everything should be replaceable |
| 07:27 | <micheil> | oh, hi brendaneich |
| 08:55 | Dashiva | ponders krijnh adding a feed for comments being marked as important |
| 09:36 | <Ms2ger> | So, did the ghost of the XHTML2 WG finally vanish? |
| 09:42 | <bga_> | heh double crash of opera 11 :( |
| 09:42 | <bga_> | back to 10.63 |
| 09:51 | <jgraham> | _bga: :( Did you submit the crash reports? |
| 09:52 | <_bga> | yes |
| 11:27 | <wes222> | hi hixie |
| 11:30 | <wes222> | i'm sorry to bother, i want to know if you have already accepted w3 bug #11568, i posted it just some minutes ago |
| 11:31 | <wes222> | oh, maybe the "new" status is automatic |
| 11:35 | <jgraham> | wes222: Be patient :) I expect Hixie is asleep |
| 11:37 | <wes222> | i'm patient, on mozilla's bugzilla the default bug status is "unconfirmed", "new" is set when the bug is verified, for this i was thinking that the bug was already accepted |
| 11:37 | <wes222> | :) |
| 12:46 | <MikeSmith> | should <meta http-equiv=refresh content="1; url=http://example.com/ "> be valid? |
| 12:47 | <MikeSmith> | note the trailing space in the value of the content attribute |
| 12:47 | <MikeSmith> | I think it's not valid in the current spec |
| 12:48 | <MikeSmith> | but browsers seem to handle it as expected nevertheless |
| 12:48 | <MikeSmith> | and the spec now allows URLs everywhere else to have leading and trailing spaces |
| 12:51 | <potatis_invalido> | MikeSmith: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#attr-meta-http-equiv-refresh |
| 12:51 | <MikeSmith> | actually, browsers seem to handle <meta http-equiv=refresh content="1; url= http://example.com/ "> as expected as well |
| 12:51 | <MikeSmith> | that is, even with leading space |
| 12:52 | <potatis_invalido> | 21. Strip any trailing space characters from the end of url. |
| 12:52 | <MikeSmith> | potatis_invalido: that doesn't mean it's valid |
| 12:52 | <potatis_invalido> | It should be, it's in the spec |
| 12:52 | <MikeSmith> | no |
| 12:52 | <karlcow> | potatis_invalido: there is a difference between processing and writing |
| 12:53 | <potatis_invalido> | Oh, right |
| 12:53 | <potatis_invalido> | You're right. |
| 13:40 | <bga_> | http://cemerick.com/2010/12/12/oracle-vp-we-have-a-strategy-to-run-java-inside-a-javascript-environment/ :P |
| 13:45 | <jgraham> | In the future you will be able to run (java in rhino in )*java in javascript |
| 13:46 | <bga_> | yes :) |
| 13:46 | <bga_> | js(java(js(java(....)))) |
| 13:46 | <bga_> | inception |
| 16:56 | <TabAtkins> | Hixie: The only type of DOM mutation that it seems we need to care about are adding/moving/deleting elements. Other mutations don't harm your ability to share the relevant metadata. |
| 17:01 | <TabAtkins> | Ho-lee crap the XQueryX example is horrifying. That's not something I'd put in a spec. That's something my *opponents* should be using to show how ridiculous my idea is. |
| 17:02 | <TabAtkins> | It's like they just wrote the the AST in XML. |
| 17:02 | <TabAtkins> | (Which is probably exactly what they did.) |
| 17:04 | <TabAtkins> | Okay, I didn't give them credit. It is *slightly* simpler than the AST (which they list slightly further down). |
| 17:08 | <dglazkov> | you're talking to yourself again |
| 17:08 | <TabAtkins> | Yes I am. |
| 17:09 | <AryehGregor> | Is that supposed to be a bad thing? |
| 17:09 | <AryehGregor> | Who else are you supposed to talk to if no one else is paying attention? |
| 17:10 | <TabAtkins> | I'm colorblind, and I approve of this app: http://dankaminsky.com/2010/12/15/dankam/ |
| 17:10 | <AryehGregor> | You're a colorblind designer? Interesting. |
| 17:10 | <TabAtkins> | Probably why I've never been good at the "design" part. |
| 17:10 | <TabAtkins> | Dammit, though, I didn't realize I was red-green too. I though I was just blue-green. |
| 17:10 | <dglazkov> | you're color-blind?! |
| 17:43 | <Philip`> | TabAtkins: If you're red-green colour blind and blue-green colour blind, does that mean you're actually red-green-blue colour blind? |
| 17:43 | <TabAtkins> | Not quite. They concern different groups of shades. |
| 19:08 | <karlcow> | http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=any+more,anymore&year_start=1900&year_end=2009&corpus=5&smoothing=3 |
| 19:08 | <karlcow> | we need this tool applied to the source code of Web page |
| 19:09 | <karlcow> | except it will be very unlikely to have precise dates |
| 19:13 | <TabAtkins> | Oh man, I *love* our tools. So cool! |
| 19:15 | <TabAtkins> | Aw, "you guys" soundly trounces "y'all". |
| 19:24 | <svl> | interesting to see the decline of proper English over time: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=traveling%2Ctravelling&year_start=1850&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=5 - and it's taking hold of British English, too: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=traveling%2Ctravelling&year_start=1850&year_end=2008&corpus=6&smoothing=5 |
| 19:25 | <AryehGregor> | Haha. |
| 19:25 | <AryehGregor> | Easter egg: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=pirates,ninjas&year_start=1900&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=3 |
| 19:25 | <karlcow> | someone pointed me to http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=any+more,anymore&year_start=1900&year_end=2009&corpus=5&smoothing=3 |
| 19:25 | <AryehGregor> | svl, . . . in what way is "travelling" more proper than "traveling"? |
| 19:26 | <AryehGregor> | My dictionary lists both as acceptable, and gives "traveling" first, and indeed my spellchecker appears to flag "travelling" as an error. |
| 19:26 | <AryehGregor> | The entire notion of "proper English" is fairly ludicrous anyway. By Shakespeare's standards, the English you're speaking is horribly bastardized. |
| 19:27 | <svl> | Of course!. Sorry, maybe I should've said 'proper' English. :) |
| 19:27 | <AryehGregor> | Weird: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=perl,python&year_start=1900&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=3 |
| 19:27 | <AryehGregor> | Why the spike right after 2000? |
| 19:27 | <AryehGregor> | Oh, it says case-sensitive. |
| 19:28 | <AryehGregor> | http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Perl,Python&year_start=1900&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=3 |
| 19:28 | <karlcow> | python is a snake before being a programming language :p |
| 19:28 | <AryehGregor> | Yes, that's why it started out much higher. |
| 19:28 | <AryehGregor> | What's "perl", though? |
| 19:30 | <karlcow> | AryehGregor: a name |
| 19:30 | <AryehGregor> | Then it would be uppercase. |
| 19:30 | <karlcow> | Perl J. C was killed and cut to pieces by train of cars, Nov. 27, 1905, aged 21 years, 5 mo. and 10 days |
| 19:30 | <karlcow> | ah I see your points |
| 19:31 | <karlcow> | ocr mistakes? |
| 19:31 | <karlcow> | http://books.google.com/books?id=koo1AAAAMAAJ&q=Perl&dq=Perl&hl=fr&ei=d7sLTdqBOcrNswaTg6jgDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ |
| 19:31 | <karlcow> | per} -> perl |
| 19:31 | <AryehGregor> | Heh, yeah. |
| 19:31 | <AryehGregor> | Figures. |
| 19:42 | <AryehGregor> | Interesting article: http://gskinner.com/blog/archives/2010/12/pirates-love-daisies-html5-game-launches.html |
| 19:59 | AryehGregor | is very close to just giving up on this part of his final project, given how unbelievably broken the OpenCL compiler is. |
| 20:00 | <Philip`> | Would something like CUDA work any better? |
| 20:01 | <AryehGregor> | Well, if I wanted to learn it and rewrite my OpenCL code to use it in the next three days, sure. |
| 20:01 | <AryehGregor> | Maybe. |
| 20:01 | <AryehGregor> | Or maybe not. |
| 20:01 | <AryehGregor> | I'm not sure how much of this is due to the immaturity of OpenCL and how much to the immaturity of GPGPUs. |
| 20:02 | <AryehGregor> | I think mostly the former. |
| 20:03 | <AryehGregor> | But this thing is literally just wiping out the contents of variables after I set them. |
| 20:04 | <AryehGregor> | All changes to global variables seem to be wiped out by some totally unrelated-looking macro I have. |
| 20:04 | AryehGregor | sighs and debugs some more |
| 20:25 | AryehGregor | notes that the only things on http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Comparison_Overview that explicitly mentions only "some" people object are the two listed weaknesses of TTML |
| 20:25 | <AryehGregor> | And that "Is not XML." as an advantage of WebSRT is in scare quotes. |
| 20:26 | <TabAtkins> | Yeah, it's pretty clear that advantage is stated sarcastically. |