| 00:07 | <Hixie> | just hit r5800 |
| 00:07 | <TabAtkins> | Wake me when you're over 9000. |
| 00:08 | <Hixie> | wow, you're going for a long sleep |
| 00:09 | <TabAtkins> | Start committing with each keystroke. |
| 00:09 | <Hixie> | you haven't seen some of my recent commits ;-) |
| 00:09 | <Hixie> | unfortunately it takes forever to build |
| 00:09 | <Hixie> | so that doesn't scale |
| 00:10 | <gsnedders> | Optimize! |
| 00:12 | <Hixie> | well to be fair, thanks to you it's way faster than it used to be |
| 00:12 | <Hixie> | i mean i run about 5 anolis' each time |
| 00:12 | <Hixie> | there was no way i could do that before |
| 00:12 | <gsnedders> | Anolis could be way quicker |
| 00:15 | <TabAtkins> | All right, new blog post about vars/mixins/nesting |
| 00:15 | <TabAtkins> | http://www.xanthir.com/blog/b49w0 |
| 00:16 | <paul_irish> | \o/ tab! |
| 00:16 | <paul_irish> | the @lang attribute.. seems to be totally reasonable to declare it on the <body> elem.. does the fact that <title> precedes body and is un-lang'ed matter? |
| 00:16 | <TabAtkins> | Only insofar as you care that <title> is unlanged. |
| 00:16 | <Hixie> | put it on <html> |
| 00:16 | <TabAtkins> | Plus maybe other metadata in head. |
| 00:16 | <paul_irish> | aw. okay. |
| 00:17 | <nimbupani> | i knew there was a good reason for lang to be on html |
| 00:19 | <paul_irish> | TabAtkins: whats the story with that color cycley-sometimes bar on your site? |
| 00:21 | <paul_irish> | TabAtkins: Nevermind. chrome extension. :) (great post. i'm linking it up on the big nettuts article today) |
| 00:21 | <chriseppstein> | TabAtkins: I don't see types here. |
| 00:21 | <TabAtkins> | Yeah, I had to turn off that extension for my site, because it's annoying and doesn't work right. |
| 00:21 | <TabAtkins> | chriseppstein: They're there, but we figured out how to make them optional. |
| 00:21 | <chriseppstein> | TabAtkins: I <3 you |
| 00:21 | <nimbupani> | ahem ahem |
| 00:22 | <chriseppstein> | nimbupani: hush |
| 00:22 | <bfrohs> | TabAtkins: May I make a suggestion for how to make your recent post backward compatible in a way? |
| 00:22 | <chriseppstein> | oh there they are |
| 00:23 | <TabAtkins> | bfrohs: What's up? |
| 00:23 | <TabAtkins> | Also, brb, grabbing snacks and beer. |
| 00:25 | <bfrohs> | TabAtkins: As much as I hate to suggest it, using conditional statements (or something similar) like IE has. It would force two separate CSS files at first, but should (well, may) speed up adoption of the new CSS. Okay, looking back, this probably wouldn't help, but it's a suggestion to consider I guess ;) |
| 00:25 | <paul_irish> | chriseppstein: did you bring up our ideas on that to tab already? |
| 00:26 | <chriseppstein> | paul_irish: I did not |
| 00:26 | <chriseppstein> | paul_irish: go ahead |
| 00:26 | <paul_irish> | k. /me gets beer and snacks and corners Tab. |
| 00:31 | <nimbupani> | oo so close to sass chriseppstein |
| 00:31 | <nimbupani> | these proposals :D |
| 00:31 | chriseppstein | is happy |
| 00:31 | <chriseppstein> | still a lot missing |
| 00:32 | <nimbupani> | its a good start :P |
| 00:36 | <benschwarz> | Want for appCache: conditionally download assets, based on media queries |
| 00:37 | <ap> | benschwarz: what good will this appcache be if you rotate your iPhone, changing screen dimensions? |
| 00:37 | <benschwarz> | The application in question has double density graphics for retina display, yet we have to download the standard size resources as well… |
| 00:37 | <benschwarz> | ap: I wouldn't use dimensions as a means of discovering which graphics should be downloaded |
| 00:38 | <benschwarz> | Its a poor practice, really |
| 00:40 | <benschwarz> | I was hoping to incite some discussion around this… wrong time of day in the US I guess |
| 00:40 | <TabAtkins> | bfrohs: I didn't mind conditional comments. But yeah, something like that might help. |
| 00:47 | <benschwarz> | re: The CSSOM discussion |
| 00:48 | <benschwarz> | Anyone who has worked on javascript heavy mobile applications knows that repaints are expensive. Some native methods to set multiple properties at once would be very useful |
| 00:48 | <TabAtkins> | Indeed. That's been discussed before, and something to help with that will show up at some point. |
| 00:48 | <TabAtkins> | How to do it best without making it easy to shoot yourself in the foot is the open question. |
| 00:49 | <benschwarz> | Why invent syntaxes? Whats wrong with simple hash assignment? |
| 00:50 | <TabAtkins> | Because setting several things at once isn't the problem. Generally, browsers already coalesce multiple property sets into one. The problem is declaring that you're okay with *reading* stale data, so you don't need to force a layout every time you ask for offsetTop. |
| 00:52 | <benschwarz> | TabAtkins: Why should it be considered stale? |
| 00:52 | <TabAtkins> | Because you've updated something that could potentially have changed it? |
| 00:52 | <TabAtkins> | Like the size of an ancestor or something. |
| 00:53 | <paul_irish> | benschwarz: the use case is i want to do LOTS of stuff before i want the browser to do a reflow/repaint. touch a bunch of elements. |
| 00:53 | <benschwarz> | paul_irish: so, an 'atomic commit'? |
| 00:55 | <paul_irish> | 'suppose so. |
| 01:00 | <benschwarz> | paul_irish: any thoughts on appCache ^ ? |
| 01:01 | <paul_irish> | i would also like media queries to affect img @src's |
| 01:08 | <benschwarz> | paul_irish: good idea. perhaps worth a post to the whatwg list? |
| 01:09 | <paul_irish> | yeah it's a very old feat request from brad neuberg. it looks to have never been formally suggested. |
| 01:10 | <nimbupani> | why is he not here :/ |
| 01:16 | <MikeSmith> | shh, brad doesn't know about IRC yet |
| 01:17 | <MikeSmith> | we're trying to keep it secret from him |
| 01:17 | <nimbupani> | :D |
| 01:17 | <MikeSmith> | so he'll stay busy working on his other stuff |
| 01:17 | <nimbupani> | :)) |
| 01:21 | <MikeSmith> | it is extremely cool to see browser implementors taking inspiration from CSS preprocessors |
| 01:21 | <nimbupani> | WOOT WOOT |
| 01:21 | <TabAtkins> | Pave the cowpaths, man. |
| 01:21 | <nimbupani> | about time |
| 01:21 | <MikeSmith> | yep |
| 01:22 | <MikeSmith> | much like inspiration was taken from JS libraries for other features now implemented natively |
| 01:22 | <TabAtkins> | Yup. |
| 01:23 | <MikeSmith> | TabAtkins: and glad the you are representing in the CSS WG |
| 01:23 | <MikeSmith> | *that you are |
| 01:23 | <TabAtkins> | ^_^ |
| 01:31 | <MikeSmith> | gsnedders: I like http://twitter.com/#!/gsnedders/status/28468340255105024 |
| 01:31 | <MikeSmith> | you should write more poems like that |
| 01:32 | <MikeSmith> | Nabokov himself never wrote anything half as great |
| 01:33 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: As brucel pointed out, it's Yeats. |
| 01:33 | <MikeSmith> | well gosh |
| 01:34 | <MikeSmith> | you've stunned me with that revelation man |
| 01:35 | <MikeSmith> | I was trying to be cute |
| 01:35 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: You failed. |
| 01:35 | <gsnedders> | I'm the cute one ;P |
| 01:35 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 01:35 | <MikeSmith> | that part's true |
| 01:36 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, I recognize my yeats… I didn't spend half my university career reading yeats at outdoor cafes just to impress the girls |
| 01:37 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, the thing about Yeats was, his first couple albums were great |
| 01:37 | <MikeSmith> | and his live shows before he got his record deal were way better |
| 01:37 | <MikeSmith> | he used to perform with just a sock on |
| 01:37 | <MikeSmith> | one sock |
| 01:38 | <MikeSmith> | and not on either of his feet |
| 01:38 | <MikeSmith> | a lot of people think the Red Hot Chili Peppers invented that |
| 01:38 | <MikeSmith> | but no, it was Yeats |
| 01:38 | <MikeSmith> | way ahead of his time |
| 01:39 | <MikeSmith> | but then he got into all that prog-rock crap and it was just downhill from there |
| 01:40 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: Wait, reading Yeats doesn't impress girls? Shit, that explains a lot. |
| 01:41 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 01:41 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, not sure why I'm telling you this because you obviously know it all already, being that you know enough to quote some of Yeats best lyrics |
| 01:43 | <gsnedders> | MikeSmith: I /do/ have taste! |
| 01:44 | <MikeSmith> | indeed |
| 01:44 | <MikeSmith> | I never had any doubt at all about that |
| 01:47 | <MikeSmith> | but as far as impressing others, well, it's kind of like the old Starkist Tuna commercials: "Sorry, Charlie, but Starkist wants tuna that tastes good, not tuna with good taste." |
| 01:48 | <benschwarz> | ps. MikeSmith, Tokyo in July ;) |
| 01:50 | <MikeSmith> | whoah |
| 01:50 | <MikeSmith> | righteous |
| 01:50 | <benschwarz> | Party time. Looking into apartments already. |
| 01:50 | <benschwarz> | Hopefully we can get something good |
| 01:50 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 01:50 | <MikeSmith> | last time was epic |
| 01:50 | <MikeSmith> | the police are still looking for you guys |
| 01:53 | <MikeSmith> | jgraham: btw, you asked me at one time whether the spec-annotation mechanism I set up for the ES5 spec could handle annotations at the sub-section level, and I said no |
| 01:53 | <MikeSmith> | but I lied |
| 01:53 | <MikeSmith> | it can |
| 01:53 | <MikeSmith> | I was looking at http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/annotated-spec/canvas.html yesterday |
| 01:55 | <MikeSmith> | testing annos similar to those could be added to http://es5.github.com/ doc if you wanted to |
| 01:55 | <MikeSmith> | I would be happy to help work on setting up a mechanism for making it easier to add them |
| 01:57 | <MikeSmith> | right now it would be a matter of a manually adding spans in the source with unique IDs, then adjusting the script to recognize those and know what to do with them |
| 01:58 | <MikeSmith> | actually, I don't see any way to get around the manually-adding-of-the-IDs part |
| 09:50 | annevk | is watching They Were There as pointed out by Gruber, in WebM |
| 10:12 | <Ms2ger> | http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker: HTML5 Tracker or HTML Tracker? |
| 10:13 | <annevk> | Web Applications 1.0 tracker really |
| 10:13 | <annevk> | but that is a long word |
| 10:13 | <annevk> | multiple words even :) |
| 11:15 | <annevk> | just looked at blog stats again |
| 11:15 | <annevk> | although more people came from reddit than any other location (apart from direct) they also stayed about half the time the other visitors did |
| 11:48 | <jgraham> | MikeSmith: Hmm, it doesn't sound like that will work well for the HTML5 spec, or at least having to manually add all the spans seems like an enormous pain with the spec changing all the time |
| 11:59 | <annevk> | I just realized that in my Formal Objection case the Director was probably Judy Brewer... |
| 12:02 | <annevk> | Is there a better link for W3C Domain Leads then http://www.w3.org/People/domain ? |
| 12:04 | <annevk> | hmm,I am probably wrong |
| 12:04 | <annevk> | never mind |
| 12:18 | <hsivonen> | http://blog.whatwg.org/webm-html5-org I announced webm.html5.org |
| 12:19 | <annevk> | I changed IRC channel to point to the Wiki page |
| 12:20 | <annevk> | i.e. added a link |
| 12:21 | <hsivonen> | annevk: thanks |
| 12:36 | <Rik`> | hsivonen: it kind of looks like whatwg is endorsing webm, no? |
| 12:36 | <annevk> | some of us are |
| 12:38 | <Rik`> | the outside world thinks whatwg is one entity with one opinion |
| 12:39 | <hsivonen> | Rik`: well, Hixie has been pretty liberal about what can be posted on the blog |
| 12:39 | <Rik`> | fair enough :) |
| 12:39 | <Rik`> | hsivonen: what about translations ? |
| 12:39 | <hsivonen> | Rik`: does it look like whatwg endorses the V.nu parser when I announce updates there? |
| 12:39 | <Rik`> | I'm willing to do the French one |
| 12:39 | <annevk> | Rik`, we have posted translations in the past on the blog |
| 12:40 | <Rik`> | I meant translation of webm.html5.org :) |
| 12:40 | <Rik`> | hsivonen: V.nu parser is a technical stuff, not highly sensible like the webm/h264 stuff |
| 12:41 | <hsivonen> | Rik`: A translation under the MIT license is welcome if you also figure out how to integrate it into the sniffer script in a maintainable way |
| 12:41 | <hsivonen> | Rik`: ITYM "sensitive" :-) |
| 12:42 | <hsivonen> | Rik`: hmm. actually, I think as long as the number of translations is small, I could update two copies of the sniffer with different UI strings |
| 12:43 | <hsivonen> | so maybe the script maintainability thing doesn't need to be solved while there's just English and French |
| 12:54 | <annevk> | http://annevankesteren.nl/2011/01/wai-aria-objection in case anyone cares |
| 12:54 | <karlcow> | http://adamcecc.blogspot.com/2011/01/javascript.html |
| 12:57 | <Ms2ger> | "Henri Sivonen just recently landed a brand new HTML 5 parsing engine in Gecko" |
| 12:59 | <hsivonen> | Ms2ger: source? |
| 12:59 | <Ms2ger> | http://www.google.com/buzz/ianbicking/2SDGH7NJGgJ/HTML-5-Parsing-John-Resig |
| 12:59 | <Steve^> | karlcow, that is insane - in a cool way |
| 13:01 | <annevk> | Ms2ger, which in turn is a copy of http://ejohn.org/blog/html-5-parsing/ |
| 13:01 | <annevk> | Posted: July 7th, 2009 |
| 13:11 | <Rik`> | hsivonen: is there a repository somewhere for webm.h.o ? |
| 13:14 | <hsivonen> | Rik`: no repo. this is a very unprofessional operation |
| 13:15 | <karlcow> | http://www.readwriteweb.com/start/2011/01/the-valley-lacks-flexibility-not-talent.php |
| 13:19 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: have you investigating CFF subsetting? Is lack of CFF support in your subsetter just a matter of "not done yet" or is it particularly hard? |
| 13:19 | <hsivonen> | s/investigating/investigated/ |
| 13:19 | hsivonen | is typing faster than thinking |
| 13:23 | <Philip`> | hsivonen: I used the Font::TTF library for reading/writing fonts and it doesn't support the CFF table at all, so it'd be necessary to implement that (or at least enough of it to delete and renumber glyphs) |
| 13:24 | <Philip`> | I don't think that's inherently hard, but it'd take a lot of specification-reading and testing |
| 13:25 | <Philip`> | (I haven't looked at the spec in much detail though) |
| 13:28 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: ok |
| 13:31 | <vrs> | karlcow: awesome |
| 13:32 | <vrs> | found this in the comments: http://sla.ckers.org/forum/read.php?24,33349,33405 http://discogscounter.getfreehosting.co.uk/js-noalnum_com.php |
| 13:32 | <Philip`> | Originally I wanted fonts to work in all browsers, and IE didn't support CFF in EOT (though flipping a single conditional instruction in a DLL file seemed to make it work perfectly fine), so I was just focused on TrueType outlines instead |
| 13:35 | <annevk> | http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/opera-software-whatwg-support/11716.html euh ok |
| 13:37 | <annevk> | i wonder how people who write stuff like that get paid |
| 13:37 | <karlcow> | because they write stuff like that. |
| 13:38 | <Philip`> | Because people read stuff like that |
| 13:39 | <karlcow> | chicken and egg |
| 13:39 | <Philip`> | Egg |
| 13:39 | <karlcow> | http://no.linkedin.com/pub/sindre-lia/0/392/59 |
| 13:40 | <Philip`> | (Chickens weren't the first animals to lay eggs) |
| 13:40 | <karlcow> | snake and egg ? :p |
| 14:00 | <hsivonen> | maybe webm.html5.org should have the UI strings in a separate .js file that could vary by UI language |
| 14:03 | <Philip`> | Maybe it'd be better for the language to be chosen by the site that links users to webm.html5.org |
| 14:03 | <Philip`> | since that site must know what language the user understands (else the user wouldn't be on that site) |
| 14:04 | <Philip`> | and that'd probably safer than the webm site trying to guess the appropriate language itself |
| 14:06 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: oh, I'd expect the linker to link to a particular language |
| 14:07 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: but still, it seems to me that putting strings into a per-language .js file would be the simplest way to vary the strings |
| 14:08 | <Philip`> | Is there any desire to support users with scripting disabled? |
| 14:08 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: some; see the source of the page |
| 14:09 | <annevk> | hsivonen, can't you use some PHP module for translations? |
| 14:09 | <hsivonen> | annevk: no idea |
| 14:09 | <Philip`> | Sounds like you'd need some server-side templating to replace the no-script strings at least |
| 14:09 | <hsivonen> | maybe |
| 14:09 | <annevk> | hsivonen, so you can have some kind of translation files |
| 14:10 | <Philip`> | and then it's probably easiest to use that for the scripted strings too |
| 14:10 | <hsivonen> | i18n complicates as simple hack very quickly. :-( |
| 14:12 | <Philip`> | You could leave it English-only and wait and see if it becomes popular enough to jusify the extra effort |
| 14:12 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: it sucks to turn away people when they volunteer to translate *right now* |
| 14:14 | <Philip`> | Are they volunteering to keep the translations up-to-date when you modify the original text over the next few days/weeks/months? |
| 14:15 | <hsivonen> | Philip`: dunno. For French, I could do simple translation updates myself. For Dutch, I couldn't. |
| 14:15 | Philip` | is sometimes scared of accepting translations since he imagines they'll discourage him from making improvements to the versions that he can maintain |
| 14:16 | <Philip`> | (and I never like marking anything as a final unchanging version) |
| 14:16 | Philip` | would like to learn how to get over those fears |
| 14:18 | <annevk> | just add a warning sign on top of those outdated versions |
| 14:19 | <annevk> | someone might help you fix it |
| 14:37 | <Dashiva> | Dear twitter, I know what a retweet is, please stop telling me. |
| 14:38 | <annevk> | Might have more effect if you do that on twitter using @twitter |
| 14:39 | <Dashiva> | I'm really just fishing for someone to tell me there's an obvious way to disable it :P |
| 14:40 | <annevk> | You mean you do not want see retweets from other people? |
| 14:42 | <Dashiva> | No, I just don't want the popup telling me what a retweet is |
| 15:04 | <Dashiva> | Haha |
| 15:05 | <Dashiva> | I did a search for @twitter to see if anyone was doing what annevk suggested, and there are lots of people complaining about twitter removing a hashtag from trending topics |
| 15:15 | <jgraham> | Oooh Ian Bicking works for Mozilla now? When did that happen? |
| 15:16 | jgraham | is obviously not keeping up |
| 15:27 | <annevk> | http://blog.ianbicking.org/2010/03/10/joining-mozilla/ |
| 15:28 | <annevk> | Why is Internet Explorer so bad when Content-Length is not provided over HTTP? |
| 15:31 | <annevk> | Hmm, there might be something else going on... |
| 15:54 | <rubys> | hsivonen: ping? |
| 15:56 | <rubys> | My suggestion for http://webm.html5.org/ : focus on describing webm; leave out the gratuitous statement about H.264. |
| 16:13 | <annevk> | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20029143-264.html |
| 16:14 | <annevk> | "We submitted the VP8 bitstream reference as an IETF Independent RFC [request for comments] to create a canonical public reference for the document," Google said. "This is independent from a standards track." |
| 16:19 | <Dashiva> | annevk: Can we have a prettier font on webm.html5.org? :) |
| 16:25 | <annevk> | Dashiva, suggest one to hsivonen |
| 16:25 | <annevk> | hsivonen, maybe you should put it on bitbucket or some such |
| 16:25 | <annevk> | hsivonen, so people can provide patches |
| 16:26 | <hsivonen> | annevk: I'll put it on bitbucket but not today |
| 16:27 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: yes we can if someone other than me takes care of design and testing |
| 16:27 | <hsivonen> | I can pony up the cash for a TypeKit account if that's needed |
| 16:28 | <hsivonen> | the Museo font looks particularly nice even on IE6 |
| 16:29 | <hsivonen> | hmm. rubys left already |
| 16:29 | <hsivonen> | anyway, the sentence about H.264 is there to give an explanation why the "royalty-free" bit is rather central |
| 16:32 | <espadrine> | hsivonen: do you think we could have something like a "ie9 should have built-in support of webm" petition on the website? |
| 16:33 | <hsivonen> | espadrine: no, I think that doesn't fit the purpose of the site |
| 16:34 | <espadrine> | you're probably right. |
| 16:34 | <hsivonen> | espadrine: the purpose of the site is to be a vendor-neutral destination that sites that use WebM can link to |
| 16:34 | karlcow | just discovered ##opera channel |
| 16:34 | <hsivonen> | espadrine: once Google publishes a WebM decoder for Media Foundation, I intend to suggest that as the primary WebM-enablement solution to visitors with IE on Vista or Windows 7 |
| 16:35 | <espadrine> | good! |
| 16:35 | <espadrine> | Do you know when that is? |
| 16:35 | <hsivonen> | espadrine: I don't |
| 16:36 | <annevk> | hsivonen, I do agree with rubys it is probably better to not mention other formats at all |
| 16:37 | <hsivonen> | annevk: ok |
| 16:37 | <annevk> | hsivonen, negative arguments are best avoided |
| 16:37 | <hsivonen> | annevk, rubys: removed |
| 16:38 | <hsivonen> | annevk: I know. I wanted to give context to the royalty-free bit |
| 16:44 | <rubys> | annevk said what I meant to say better than I did |
| 16:45 | <rubys> | I'm pleased to see that statement removed; I don't believe "royalty-free" needs any more context. |
| 16:46 | <hsivonen> | rubys: I believe it hasn't even occurred to most people that a file format could be royalty-bearing. |
| 16:46 | <rubys> | this site does plant that seed in their mind; those that wish to can explore it. |
| 16:47 | <rubys> | My belief is that you will get more converts if they discover this for themselves than if you preach to them |
| 16:48 | <rubys> | in any case, most readers won't even know what H.264 is, all they will know is that it is free and that their browser is backlevel as it doesn't include support for this format. |
| 16:48 | <rubys> | (and given that it is royalty free, don't have cost as an excuse to not provide the necessary support) |
| 17:41 | <annevk> | Maciej came up with 5 > 2 as far as I can tell: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070411#l-411 |
| 17:41 | <annevk> | http://blog.whatwg.org/t-shirts and http://five-gt-two.spreadshirt.com/ |
| 17:42 | <Ms2ger> | 5 != 3 is the new 5 > 2 |
| 17:46 | <rubys1> | 5 != 3 won't have the same staying power, particularly as the W3C has already updated the FAQ for the logo |
| 17:48 | <annevk> | And it is far less amusing |
| 17:48 | <annevk> | To me anyway |
| 17:50 | <Philip`> | http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-128-objection-poll/results - "ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - Straw Poll for Objections" |
| 17:50 | <Philip`> | I wonder if anyone will file a cunningly-titled issue to exploit that XSS hole |
| 17:51 | <rubys1> | That bug in that form is frustrating |
| 17:52 | <Ms2ger> | Issue tracking tools will save us as long as we don't mention HTML? |
| 17:52 | <rubys> | I tried a number of different ways to enter that title, but couldn't find one that worked. |
| 17:52 | <Rik`> | hsivonen: tell me if I can translate tonight or if you plan to extract the strings |
| 20:38 | <Hixie> | anything interesting going on in the land of web standards? |
| 20:39 | <abarth> | Hixie: we're trying to make progress on an XSS mitigation for browsers |
| 20:40 | <Hixie> | any luck? |
| 20:41 | <Hixie> | i saw the thread, but stopped reading it after it seemed to go nowhere new |
| 20:41 | <abarth> | yeah, the main issue is still the same as last time |
| 20:41 | <abarth> | moz wants to do something complicated |
| 20:41 | <abarth> | i want to do something that targets XSS specifically |
| 20:43 | <abarth> | hopefully we'll come to an agreement, but otherwise, we'll probably try something experimental in webkit anyway |
| 21:38 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: " addParaWithLink("Chromium added WebM support in version 6.0. You need to upgrade. Or if your Chromium is not upgradeable, you may consider ", "installing the latest Chrome", "http://www.google.com/chrome";, " instead.");" doesn't have the "to view WebM content" |
| 22:02 | <annevk> | Hixie, I toyed with ISSUE-125 and ISSUE-126 |
| 22:03 | <annevk> | Hixie, I think I agree with you that it is not really worth fighting over |
| 22:03 | <annevk> | Hixie, I hope HTTP will change to make Content-Type somewhat more sane |
| 22:05 | <zcorpan> | annevk: can javascript: urls ever be something other than text/html? |
| 22:06 | <annevk> | they can be images in e.g. Gecko if every character is U+00FF or lower I believe |
| 22:06 | <annevk> | I think that will always result in an octet stream |
| 22:06 | <annevk> | and then it depends on sniffing |
| 22:07 | <zcorpan> | oh |
| 22:10 | <annevk> | anyway, nn |
| 22:35 | <foolip_> | hmm, maybe I've written enough change proposals for today |
| 23:19 | <zcorpan> | hmm, i don't think i have my 5 > 2 t-shirt anymore |
| 23:44 | <rob_zelnr> | well this is interesting, I didn't know about whatwg |